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Attributes | |
ACN | 242684 |
Time | |
Date | 199305 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 150 |
ASRS Report | 242684 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Air carrier X takeoff lax runway 25R loop 9 departure, which calls for a 250 degree heading until crossing smo 160 degree radial then left to 235 degree heading, cleared altitude 2000 ft MSL. Upon switching to departure control visually acquired small aircraft flying south in VFR corridor then got TCASII RA to lower climb rate. Followed TCASII RA. Reclred to 4000 ft after clear of small aircraft. In climb between 2000 ft and 3000 ft, realized we were still on 250 degree heading, then turned to 235 degrees. Tower had cleared another air carrier Y for takeoff from runway 24L after our takeoff (and on a separate tower frequency). Air carrier Y was behind and to our right during initial climb and not in sight. ATC gave us subsequent climbs and vectors as part of SID. We were asked to call departure by telephone upon landing in jfk. After calling by phone I was informed that our failure to turn until after passing the smo 160 degree radial and post TCASII RA resulted in a loss of separation with air carrier Y departing runway 24L. I recall no mention to us of air carrier Y on tower or departure control. The next day my first officer told me he heard us being called as traffic one time to that runway 24L air carrier Y. Concentrating on the small aircraft RA I failed to hear our being called to air carrier Y now on departure control. Naturally the SID called for a more prompt turn to 235 degrees but concentrating on avoiding the seen small aircraft that passed 500 ft overhead delayed our recognition of our failure to turn promptly, producing a loss of separation with air carrier Y we didn't know to be there, behind us and to the right on a parallel heading. I will redouble efforts to avoid future recurrence. It also would have helped if ATC had advised us of the traffic and reminded us of need to turn. The runway 24L air carrier Y was eventually seen by first officer, but we had already initiated turn at that time.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MULTIPLE RWY OP PARALLEL RWYS ACR X NON ADHERENCE TO ATC CLRNC TCASII RA HAD LTSS FROM ACR Y. PLTDEV.
Narrative: ACR X TKOF LAX RWY 25R LOOP 9 DEP, WHICH CALLS FOR A 250 DEG HDG UNTIL XING SMO 160 DEG RADIAL THEN L TO 235 DEG HDG, CLRED ALT 2000 FT MSL. UPON SWITCHING TO DEP CTL VISUALLY ACQUIRED SMA FLYING S IN VFR CORRIDOR THEN GOT TCASII RA TO LOWER CLB RATE. FOLLOWED TCASII RA. RECLRED TO 4000 FT AFTER CLR OF SMA. IN CLB BTWN 2000 FT AND 3000 FT, REALIZED WE WERE STILL ON 250 DEG HDG, THEN TURNED TO 235 DEGS. TWR HAD CLRED ANOTHER ACR Y FOR TKOF FROM RWY 24L AFTER OUR TKOF (AND ON A SEPARATE TWR FREQ). ACR Y WAS BEHIND AND TO OUR R DURING INITIAL CLB AND NOT IN SIGHT. ATC GAVE US SUBSEQUENT CLBS AND VECTORS AS PART OF SID. WE WERE ASKED TO CALL DEP BY TELEPHONE UPON LNDG IN JFK. AFTER CALLING BY PHONE I WAS INFORMED THAT OUR FAILURE TO TURN UNTIL AFTER PASSING THE SMO 160 DEG RADIAL AND POST TCASII RA RESULTED IN A LOSS OF SEPARATION WITH ACR Y DEPARTING RWY 24L. I RECALL NO MENTION TO US OF ACR Y ON TWR OR DEP CTL. THE NEXT DAY MY FO TOLD ME HE HEARD US BEING CALLED AS TFC ONE TIME TO THAT RWY 24L ACR Y. CONCENTRATING ON THE SMA RA I FAILED TO HEAR OUR BEING CALLED TO ACR Y NOW ON DEP CTL. NATURALLY THE SID CALLED FOR A MORE PROMPT TURN TO 235 DEGS BUT CONCENTRATING ON AVOIDING THE SEEN SMA THAT PASSED 500 FT OVERHEAD DELAYED OUR RECOGNITION OF OUR FAILURE TO TURN PROMPTLY, PRODUCING A LOSS OF SEPARATION WITH ACR Y WE DIDN'T KNOW TO BE THERE, BEHIND US AND TO THE R ON A PARALLEL HDG. I WILL REDOUBLE EFFORTS TO AVOID FUTURE RECURRENCE. IT ALSO WOULD HAVE HELPED IF ATC HAD ADVISED US OF THE TFC AND REMINDED US OF NEED TO TURN. THE RWY 24L ACR Y WAS EVENTUALLY SEEN BY FO, BUT WE HAD ALREADY INITIATED TURN AT THAT TIME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.