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Attributes | |
ACN | 243100 |
Time | |
Date | 199306 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dtw |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9200 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dtw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 243100 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 243031 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 vertical : 1000 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were cleared to 10000 ft MSL and to join the geneva 1 departure at detroit. Approximately 5-8 mins after takeoff a TCASII advisory was received (9300 ft MSL). The display showed a 1/2 amber circle at our 1 O'clock position, no altitude shown. Vertical speed was reduced to 500 FPM. At 9700 ft MSL an RA was received saying 'monitor vertical speed' at which point the captain leveled aircraft. Display showing red band for climb. Seconds later a second RA was issued 'descend, descend now.' the nose was lowered to green band and descent was made to 9200 ft MSL. No visual sighting of traffic was made. At 9300 ft MSL I notified ATC of the event. The departure controller said there was no conflict and the aircraft in question is level at 11000 ft MSL and has been so for 20 mi. At the time of our descent the TCASII display showed intruder at our 1 O'clock position, red square with arrow indicating descending. They were in a descent at greater than 500 FPM. Due to the confusion in information that we received from TCASII/ATC, the voice recorder circuit breaker was pulled to retain the TCASII information for further study. Possible reasons: 1) other aircraft may have had their own resolution and were executing it. 2) the time frame was so quick that the TCASII unit could not keep up with event. 3) TCASII worked well, but could not tell we were going to level at 10000 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG HAS TCASII RA ON CLB OUT.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED TO 10000 FT MSL AND TO JOIN THE GENEVA 1 DEP AT DETROIT. APPROX 5-8 MINS AFTER TKOF A TCASII ADVISORY WAS RECEIVED (9300 FT MSL). THE DISPLAY SHOWED A 1/2 AMBER CIRCLE AT OUR 1 O'CLOCK POS, NO ALT SHOWN. VERT SPD WAS REDUCED TO 500 FPM. AT 9700 FT MSL AN RA WAS RECEIVED SAYING 'MONITOR VERT SPD' AT WHICH POINT THE CAPT LEVELED ACFT. DISPLAY SHOWING RED BAND FOR CLB. SECONDS LATER A SECOND RA WAS ISSUED 'DSND, DSND NOW.' THE NOSE WAS LOWERED TO GREEN BAND AND DSCNT WAS MADE TO 9200 FT MSL. NO VISUAL SIGHTING OF TFC WAS MADE. AT 9300 FT MSL I NOTIFIED ATC OF THE EVENT. THE DEP CTLR SAID THERE WAS NO CONFLICT AND THE ACFT IN QUESTION IS LEVEL AT 11000 FT MSL AND HAS BEEN SO FOR 20 MI. AT THE TIME OF OUR DSCNT THE TCASII DISPLAY SHOWED INTRUDER AT OUR 1 O'CLOCK POS, RED SQUARE WITH ARROW INDICATING DSNDING. THEY WERE IN A DSCNT AT GREATER THAN 500 FPM. DUE TO THE CONFUSION IN INFO THAT WE RECEIVED FROM TCASII/ATC, THE VOICE RECORDER CIRCUIT BREAKER WAS PULLED TO RETAIN THE TCASII INFO FOR FURTHER STUDY. POSSIBLE REASONS: 1) OTHER ACFT MAY HAVE HAD THEIR OWN RESOLUTION AND WERE EXECUTING IT. 2) THE TIME FRAME WAS SO QUICK THAT THE TCASII UNIT COULD NOT KEEP UP WITH EVENT. 3) TCASII WORKED WELL, BUT COULD NOT TELL WE WERE GOING TO LEVEL AT 10000 FT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.