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Attributes | |
ACN | 244247 |
Time | |
Date | 199306 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dca |
State Reference | DC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1200 msl bound upper : 1300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dca tracon : sju |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 767 |
ASRS Report | 244247 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : became reoriented flight crew : overcame equipment problem |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Airport | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Flight was cleared for roslyn lda 18 approach at dca from a high and fast position resulting from delayed ATC let down in terminal area. The WX was reported 4000 broken 5 haze 89/70 2110. The lda was captured and the flight mode annunciator indicated 'localizer trk' as we descended towards the GS in the 'IAS' pitch mode with throttles clamped. Aircraft never shallowed to capture GS but instead remained in 'IAS' and pitched down through the GS at about 4 1/2 mi lda DME. Autoplt was disconnected and power applied (autothrottle overridden) to return to GS. Aircraft flew over the buildings in roslyn as we turned to the north bank of the river for the visual portion of the approach. Centerline was overshot but safely regained, runway 18 with VASI clearly in sight. Landing was in the touchdown zone about 1500 ft from threshold. The roslyn lda 18 approach is a poor approach at best, but high and fast further exaggerates the problem. We feel the problem with the GS may have resulted from descending in IAS with throttles clamped. Also, the capture point was probably approaching the area of poor GS signal as the approach plate points out 'GS unusable below 1100.' waiting to 'fly the river' at 3.5 DME (over roslyn) is a good set up for an overshoot with a right crosswind. With the hazy conditions at the time, it may not be the best idea to construct an approach contingent on a visual 'maneuver' requiring a 30 degree course change and runway set up in 3.5 mi. I consider dca a marginal airport at best, but concede that the approach would have been more successful with an earlier set up.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR MLG FOULED UP ITS LDA 18 APCH TO DCA.
Narrative: FLT WAS CLRED FOR ROSLYN LDA 18 APCH AT DCA FROM A HIGH AND FAST POS RESULTING FROM DELAYED ATC LET DOWN IN TERMINAL AREA. THE WX WAS RPTED 4000 BROKEN 5 HAZE 89/70 2110. THE LDA WAS CAPTURED AND THE FLT MODE ANNUNCIATOR INDICATED 'LOC TRK' AS WE DSNDED TOWARDS THE GS IN THE 'IAS' PITCH MODE WITH THROTTLES CLAMPED. ACFT NEVER SHALLOWED TO CAPTURE GS BUT INSTEAD REMAINED IN 'IAS' AND PITCHED DOWN THROUGH THE GS AT ABOUT 4 1/2 MI LDA DME. AUTOPLT WAS DISCONNECTED AND PWR APPLIED (AUTOTHROTTLE OVERRIDDEN) TO RETURN TO GS. ACFT FLEW OVER THE BUILDINGS IN ROSLYN AS WE TURNED TO THE N BANK OF THE RIVER FOR THE VISUAL PORTION OF THE APCH. CTRLINE WAS OVERSHOT BUT SAFELY REGAINED, RWY 18 WITH VASI CLRLY IN SIGHT. LNDG WAS IN THE TOUCHDOWN ZONE ABOUT 1500 FT FROM THRESHOLD. THE ROSLYN LDA 18 APCH IS A POOR APCH AT BEST, BUT HIGH AND FAST FURTHER EXAGGERATES THE PROB. WE FEEL THE PROB WITH THE GS MAY HAVE RESULTED FROM DSNDING IN IAS WITH THROTTLES CLAMPED. ALSO, THE CAPTURE POINT WAS PROBABLY APCHING THE AREA OF POOR GS SIGNAL AS THE APCH PLATE POINTS OUT 'GS UNUSABLE BELOW 1100.' WAITING TO 'FLY THE RIVER' AT 3.5 DME (OVER ROSLYN) IS A GOOD SET UP FOR AN OVERSHOOT WITH A R XWIND. WITH THE HAZY CONDITIONS AT THE TIME, IT MAY NOT BE THE BEST IDEA TO CONSTRUCT AN APCH CONTINGENT ON A VISUAL 'MANEUVER' REQUIRING A 30 DEG COURSE CHANGE AND RWY SET UP IN 3.5 MI. I CONSIDER DCA A MARGINAL ARPT AT BEST, BUT CONCEDE THAT THE APCH WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE SUCCESSFUL WITH AN EARLIER SET UP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.