37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Attributes | |
ACN | 245711 |
Time | |
Date | 199307 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : bpt |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 23000 msl bound upper : 23000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zhu |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 216 flight time total : 10280 flight time type : 1620 |
ASRS Report | 245711 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 19000 vertical : 700 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Approximately 25 mi prior to my planned descent point the controller assigned us a much lower altitude with no extra comment. Hoping for pilot's discretion, I delayed starting down and asked the first officer to handle our request. We were unable to get the message across on the busy frequency. I didn't notice a conflict until the TCASII issued a TA at approximately 10 O'clock and 7 mi. We started down and then we got an RA to descend. We promptly lost altitude until we were well clear of the other aircraft. During the RA the TCASII showed the other aircraft climbing, perhaps trying to avoid us. The controller also reaffirmed our need to descend but made no comment about the conflict. I should have promptly complied with my clearance and then made my request. It would be very beneficial for the controller to add to the pilot's awareness when workload permits.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LTT COMMUTER ACFT DOES NOT DSND RIGHT AWAY WHEN CLRED. CAUSES TCASII TA, THEN RA.
Narrative: APPROX 25 MI PRIOR TO MY PLANNED DSCNT POINT THE CTLR ASSIGNED US A MUCH LOWER ALT WITH NO EXTRA COMMENT. HOPING FOR PLT'S DISCRETION, I DELAYED STARTING DOWN AND ASKED THE FO TO HANDLE OUR REQUEST. WE WERE UNABLE TO GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS ON THE BUSY FREQ. I DIDN'T NOTICE A CONFLICT UNTIL THE TCASII ISSUED A TA AT APPROX 10 O'CLOCK AND 7 MI. WE STARTED DOWN AND THEN WE GOT AN RA TO DSND. WE PROMPTLY LOST ALT UNTIL WE WERE WELL CLR OF THE OTHER ACFT. DURING THE RA THE TCASII SHOWED THE OTHER ACFT CLBING, PERHAPS TRYING TO AVOID US. THE CTLR ALSO REAFFIRMED OUR NEED TO DSND BUT MADE NO COMMENT ABOUT THE CONFLICT. I SHOULD HAVE PROMPTLY COMPLIED WITH MY CLRNC AND THEN MADE MY REQUEST. IT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL FOR THE CTLR TO ADD TO THE PLT'S AWARENESS WHEN WORKLOAD PERMITS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.