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Attributes | |
ACN | 247047 |
Time | |
Date | 199307 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : atl |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : atl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 247047 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 50 |
ASRS Report | 246821 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 800 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I was the copilot on an medium large transport on the sinca 5 arrival. The captain was flying. The controller turned us from a 300 degree heading to 360 degrees to gain spacing behind a company medium large transport also on runway 27L. We had been told to descend to 2500 ft MSL. We were descending through 4000 ft to 3500 ft when vectored north. There was an light transport being vectored onto final for runway 26R. He was controled on a different frequency. He was also at 3500 ft MSL and turning belly up to our plane. Our controller was late turning us back to intercept the runway 27L localizer. Consequently, we were now on the runway 26R final. The TCASII in our jet began directing us to pull up to miss the light transport. I was already eyes out telling the captain about the problem. The controller did make a call for us to turn back but it was stepped on by someone else on same frequency and the TCASII. When we finally made our turn back to intercept runway 27L localizer, we were co-altitude with the light transport and we delayed our turn based on visual assessment that we couldn't turn belly up to light transport. We passed less than 3000 ft. My assessment of contributing factors: 1) controller cutting situation too close. 2) low-time captain, slightly behind jet, not able to build the altitude separation he would normally have if he were ahead of jet. 3) the altitude separation should have been established prior to turning us north. We may have been late getting to 2500 ft, but no criteria was established when to be there. Supplemental information from acn 246821: at this time TCASII came on with an advisory of 'traffic, traffic, monitor vertical speed.' with the advisory going off neither the first officer nor I heard the controller issue a turn to 270 degrees until the conflict occurred.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF MLG HAS CONFLICT WITH LTT ON VECTORS TO APCH.
Narrative: I WAS THE COPLT ON AN MLG ON THE SINCA 5 ARR. THE CAPT WAS FLYING. THE CTLR TURNED US FROM A 300 DEG HDG TO 360 DEGS TO GAIN SPACING BEHIND A COMPANY MLG ALSO ON RWY 27L. WE HAD BEEN TOLD TO DSND TO 2500 FT MSL. WE WERE DSNDING THROUGH 4000 FT TO 3500 FT WHEN VECTORED N. THERE WAS AN LTT BEING VECTORED ONTO FINAL FOR RWY 26R. HE WAS CTLED ON A DIFFERENT FREQ. HE WAS ALSO AT 3500 FT MSL AND TURNING BELLY UP TO OUR PLANE. OUR CTLR WAS LATE TURNING US BACK TO INTERCEPT THE RWY 27L LOC. CONSEQUENTLY, WE WERE NOW ON THE RWY 26R FINAL. THE TCASII IN OUR JET BEGAN DIRECTING US TO PULL UP TO MISS THE LTT. I WAS ALREADY EYES OUT TELLING THE CAPT ABOUT THE PROB. THE CTLR DID MAKE A CALL FOR US TO TURN BACK BUT IT WAS STEPPED ON BY SOMEONE ELSE ON SAME FREQ AND THE TCASII. WHEN WE FINALLY MADE OUR TURN BACK TO INTERCEPT RWY 27L LOC, WE WERE CO-ALT WITH THE LTT AND WE DELAYED OUR TURN BASED ON VISUAL ASSESSMENT THAT WE COULDN'T TURN BELLY UP TO LTT. WE PASSED LESS THAN 3000 FT. MY ASSESSMENT OF CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: 1) CTLR CUTTING SIT TOO CLOSE. 2) LOW-TIME CAPT, SLIGHTLY BEHIND JET, NOT ABLE TO BUILD THE ALT SEPARATION HE WOULD NORMALLY HAVE IF HE WERE AHEAD OF JET. 3) THE ALT SEPARATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED PRIOR TO TURNING US N. WE MAY HAVE BEEN LATE GETTING TO 2500 FT, BUT NO CRITERIA WAS ESTABLISHED WHEN TO BE THERE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 246821: AT THIS TIME TCASII CAME ON WITH AN ADVISORY OF 'TFC, TFC, MONITOR VERT SPD.' WITH THE ADVISORY GOING OFF NEITHER THE FO NOR I HEARD THE CTLR ISSUE A TURN TO 270 DEGS UNTIL THE CONFLICT OCCURRED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.