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Attributes | |
ACN | 249561 |
Time | |
Date | 199308 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : vhhk airport : vhhh |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 31000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : vhhk |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 185 flight time total : 8710 flight time type : 858 |
ASRS Report | 249561 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Departed hong kong on assigned SID, elato 1 alpha, flight plan route. Approximately 10 mi from airport received radar vectors and a clearance to filed cruise altitude. At approximately 27000 ft, we were then cleared direct elato intersection which was the fir boundary. Since there was no verbal crossing restrictions given to us, and the fact that we were on radar vectors, led us to believe that there was no requirement to be at FL330 (cruise altitude) by the fir. Our altitude crossing elato (fir) was FL310 due to the aircraft being heavy and outside air temperature being very warm. We were climbing the best we could under the circumstances. ATC inquired as to what our altitude was crossing elato and that we were supposed to contact them if unable to reach cruise altitude by elato intersection. On closer inspection, the captain and I discovered from the SID this to be the case, even though we were being radar vectored which would normally negate previous clrncs, in this case, the SID. Also, as previously mentioned, with no crossing restrictions mentioned and being radar vectored, we felt that this requirement was not in effect. I believe that this requirement, if it is important, should be presented in a more visible and noticeable fashion as in other sids, for example in the plan view diagram, adjacent to the fir.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR WDB FAILED TO MAKE ITS XING RESTRICTION.
Narrative: DEPARTED HONG KONG ON ASSIGNED SID, ELATO 1 ALPHA, FLT PLAN RTE. APPROX 10 MI FROM ARPT RECEIVED RADAR VECTORS AND A CLRNC TO FILED CRUISE ALT. AT APPROX 27000 FT, WE WERE THEN CLRED DIRECT ELATO INTXN WHICH WAS THE FIR BOUNDARY. SINCE THERE WAS NO VERBAL XING RESTRICTIONS GIVEN TO US, AND THE FACT THAT WE WERE ON RADAR VECTORS, LED US TO BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS NO REQUIREMENT TO BE AT FL330 (CRUISE ALT) BY THE FIR. OUR ALT XING ELATO (FIR) WAS FL310 DUE TO THE ACFT BEING HVY AND OUTSIDE AIR TEMP BEING VERY WARM. WE WERE CLBING THE BEST WE COULD UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. ATC INQUIRED AS TO WHAT OUR ALT WAS XING ELATO AND THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO CONTACT THEM IF UNABLE TO REACH CRUISE ALT BY ELATO INTXN. ON CLOSER INSPECTION, THE CAPT AND I DISCOVERED FROM THE SID THIS TO BE THE CASE, EVEN THOUGH WE WERE BEING RADAR VECTORED WHICH WOULD NORMALLY NEGATE PREVIOUS CLRNCS, IN THIS CASE, THE SID. ALSO, AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, WITH NO XING RESTRICTIONS MENTIONED AND BEING RADAR VECTORED, WE FELT THAT THIS REQUIREMENT WAS NOT IN EFFECT. I BELIEVE THAT THIS REQUIREMENT, IF IT IS IMPORTANT, SHOULD BE PRESENTED IN A MORE VISIBLE AND NOTICEABLE FASHION AS IN OTHER SIDS, FOR EXAMPLE IN THE PLAN VIEW DIAGRAM, ADJACENT TO THE FIR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.