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Attributes | |
ACN | 250641 |
Time | |
Date | 199308 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : atl |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 13000 msl bound upper : 14000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : ztl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 12200 flight time type : 1800 |
ASRS Report | 250641 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Inbound on the rome 7 arrival to atl, with traffic landing east, I had made the error of planning my descent to cross dalas intersection (29 DME) northwest of atl VOR at 14000 ft. Unfortunately, this is the landing west crossing gate. I did not realize my error until the center controller issued us the restr to cross 40 DME at 13000 ft and 250 KTS. I immediately realized that we couldn't make the crossing and initiated a maximum performance descent (idle power, full spoilers). I asked the captain to advise ATC that we couldn't make the restr. He said 'just do the best you can, he'll vector us if he needs to.' we leveled at 13000 ft at 38 DME at 330 KTS. The controllers soon gave us a 090 degree vector and asked us to slow to 180 KTS for spacing, and subsequently a 180 degree and 160 KT vector. They did not mention our excessive speed specifically. When I first mentioned to the captain that I didn't think we would make the restr, he launched into a tirade about how 'you guys (coplts) are always mising crossing restrs.' I had never missed a restr with flying with him before. Some conclusions are obvious. I will read my charts more carefully from now on. If the captain won't advise ATC when I ask him to, I'll pick up my own microphone and do it myself if there is a next time. There will not be a next time for me with this captain. I will bid more carefully to stay away from him, and report his actions to professional standards. He was aware of my impending foul-up and, I believe, deliberately allowed me to get behind the descent profile in order to 'teach me a lesson' -- his words.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR FLC MISREADS ARR PROC RESULTING IN ALT, SPD DEV.
Narrative: INBOUND ON THE ROME 7 ARR TO ATL, WITH TFC LNDG E, I HAD MADE THE ERROR OF PLANNING MY DSCNT TO CROSS DALAS INTXN (29 DME) NW OF ATL VOR AT 14000 FT. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS THE LNDG W XING GATE. I DID NOT REALIZE MY ERROR UNTIL THE CTR CTLR ISSUED US THE RESTR TO CROSS 40 DME AT 13000 FT AND 250 KTS. I IMMEDIATELY REALIZED THAT WE COULDN'T MAKE THE XING AND INITIATED A MAX PERFORMANCE DSCNT (IDLE PWR, FULL SPOILERS). I ASKED THE CAPT TO ADVISE ATC THAT WE COULDN'T MAKE THE RESTR. HE SAID 'JUST DO THE BEST YOU CAN, HE'LL VECTOR US IF HE NEEDS TO.' WE LEVELED AT 13000 FT AT 38 DME AT 330 KTS. THE CTLRS SOON GAVE US A 090 DEG VECTOR AND ASKED US TO SLOW TO 180 KTS FOR SPACING, AND SUBSEQUENTLY A 180 DEG AND 160 KT VECTOR. THEY DID NOT MENTION OUR EXCESSIVE SPD SPECIFICALLY. WHEN I FIRST MENTIONED TO THE CAPT THAT I DIDN'T THINK WE WOULD MAKE THE RESTR, HE LAUNCHED INTO A TIRADE ABOUT HOW 'YOU GUYS (COPLTS) ARE ALWAYS MISING XING RESTRS.' I HAD NEVER MISSED A RESTR WITH FLYING WITH HIM BEFORE. SOME CONCLUSIONS ARE OBVIOUS. I WILL READ MY CHARTS MORE CAREFULLY FROM NOW ON. IF THE CAPT WON'T ADVISE ATC WHEN I ASK HIM TO, I'LL PICK UP MY OWN MIKE AND DO IT MYSELF IF THERE IS A NEXT TIME. THERE WILL NOT BE A NEXT TIME FOR ME WITH THIS CAPT. I WILL BID MORE CAREFULLY TO STAY AWAY FROM HIM, AND RPT HIS ACTIONS TO PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS. HE WAS AWARE OF MY IMPENDING FOUL-UP AND, I BELIEVE, DELIBERATELY ALLOWED ME TO GET BEHIND THE DSCNT PROFILE IN ORDER TO 'TEACH ME A LESSON' -- HIS WORDS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.