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Attributes | |
ACN | 251778 |
Time | |
Date | 199309 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : rno |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zoa tower : rno |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 450 flight time type : 240 |
ASRS Report | 251778 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : clearance delivery |
Qualification | controller : non radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
I had filed an IFR flight plan from rno airport to ogden, ut. When calling for clearance, I advised 'nx IFR, ogden, ut, read to copy clearance.' I was instructed to depart runway 25, right downwind departure VFR, then proceed on course. I thought this a rather odd IFR clearance, but accepted this as normal procedure. I departed in a normal fashion, WX was clear. When I was established on the first leg, ATC advised me leaving their airspace 'squawk 1200, frequency change approved.' I was rather surprised to hear the official buzz word for leaving an arsa. I had filed IFR and assumed all along that this flight was operating under IFR rules. I told the controller I was IFR and was then lectured about the clearance. Technically, ATC was correct, but I was the victim of a miscom and felt like a con artist victim. The controller made a comment that 'this has happened before.' it is very clear to me why this has happened before. When a pilot files IFR, he expects to get such a clearance. The clearance out of an arsa VFR is quite similar, and one can easily assume incorrectly that this was the IFR clearance anticipated. The solution is simple: ATC should not be permitted to issue a VFR clearance to pilots that have filed IFR unless by pilot request.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN SMA PLT ACCEPTED AN ARSA DEP CLRNC WHEN HE EXPECTED A FULL IFR ROUTING.
Narrative: I HAD FILED AN IFR FLT PLAN FROM RNO ARPT TO OGDEN, UT. WHEN CALLING FOR CLRNC, I ADVISED 'NX IFR, OGDEN, UT, READ TO COPY CLRNC.' I WAS INSTRUCTED TO DEPART RWY 25, R DOWNWIND DEP VFR, THEN PROCEED ON COURSE. I THOUGHT THIS A RATHER ODD IFR CLRNC, BUT ACCEPTED THIS AS NORMAL PROC. I DEPARTED IN A NORMAL FASHION, WX WAS CLR. WHEN I WAS ESTABLISHED ON THE FIRST LEG, ATC ADVISED ME LEAVING THEIR AIRSPACE 'SQUAWK 1200, FREQ CHANGE APPROVED.' I WAS RATHER SURPRISED TO HEAR THE OFFICIAL BUZZ WORD FOR LEAVING AN ARSA. I HAD FILED IFR AND ASSUMED ALL ALONG THAT THIS FLT WAS OPERATING UNDER IFR RULES. I TOLD THE CTLR I WAS IFR AND WAS THEN LECTURED ABOUT THE CLRNC. TECHNICALLY, ATC WAS CORRECT, BUT I WAS THE VICTIM OF A MISCOM AND FELT LIKE A CON ARTIST VICTIM. THE CTLR MADE A COMMENT THAT 'THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE.' IT IS VERY CLEAR TO ME WHY THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE. WHEN A PLT FILES IFR, HE EXPECTS TO GET SUCH A CLRNC. THE CLRNC OUT OF AN ARSA VFR IS QUITE SIMILAR, AND ONE CAN EASILY ASSUME INCORRECTLY THAT THIS WAS THE IFR CLRNC ANTICIPATED. THE SOLUTION IS SIMPLE: ATC SHOULD NOT BE PERMITTED TO ISSUE A VFR CLRNC TO PLTS THAT HAVE FILED IFR UNLESS BY PLT REQUEST.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.