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Attributes | |
ACN | 251798 |
Time | |
Date | 199309 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : apa |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv tower : apa |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 25 |
ASRS Report | 251798 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were cleared to 10000 ft, radar vector heading 180 degrees, which turned us directly into a thunderstorm. While descending to altitude, I made 6 or 8 calls to center asking for deviation to the right and requesting lower. Center never responded to any of our xmissions. An air carrier responded to our calls by telling center that we were trying to call them and get clearance to deviate from heading and altitude, but that still didn't get center's attention. The frequency was very congested, so I'm sure the controller was doing the best he could do. We were experiencing turbulence during this whole time. Holding altitude and heading was extremely difficult. A heavy downdraft took us down almost 1000 ft about the time center contacted us. Instead of answering our request, he spoke harshly about our altitude and heading and handed us off to the next controller. At this time we were cleared for lower, and were still in WX, but past the heavy part of the thunderstorm and proceeded on to the landing at centennial. The captain called center and spoke with the supervisor. There were no conflicts with other traffic, which we already knew. However, we felt our calls were not handled in a timely fashion and therefore put us into a WX situation that could have been avoided. Congestion on the frequency and WX were the 2 main contributing factors governing this situation. The captain did what he could to maintain altitude and heading under rather turbulent conditions. Center could have responded to our calls and given a small deviation to the right and/or a lower altitude assignment which would have resulted in a smoother time for all.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CPR MDT COULD NOT MAINTAIN ALT IN HVY WX.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED TO 10000 FT, RADAR VECTOR HDG 180 DEGS, WHICH TURNED US DIRECTLY INTO A TSTM. WHILE DSNDING TO ALT, I MADE 6 OR 8 CALLS TO CTR ASKING FOR DEV TO THE R AND REQUESTING LOWER. CTR NEVER RESPONDED TO ANY OF OUR XMISSIONS. AN ACR RESPONDED TO OUR CALLS BY TELLING CTR THAT WE WERE TRYING TO CALL THEM AND GET CLRNC TO DEVIATE FROM HDG AND ALT, BUT THAT STILL DIDN'T GET CTR'S ATTN. THE FREQ WAS VERY CONGESTED, SO I'M SURE THE CTLR WAS DOING THE BEST HE COULD DO. WE WERE EXPERIENCING TURB DURING THIS WHOLE TIME. HOLDING ALT AND HDG WAS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. A HVY DOWNDRAFT TOOK US DOWN ALMOST 1000 FT ABOUT THE TIME CTR CONTACTED US. INSTEAD OF ANSWERING OUR REQUEST, HE SPOKE HARSHLY ABOUT OUR ALT AND HDG AND HANDED US OFF TO THE NEXT CTLR. AT THIS TIME WE WERE CLRED FOR LOWER, AND WERE STILL IN WX, BUT PAST THE HVY PART OF THE TSTM AND PROCEEDED ON TO THE LNDG AT CENTENNIAL. THE CAPT CALLED CTR AND SPOKE WITH THE SUPVR. THERE WERE NO CONFLICTS WITH OTHER TFC, WHICH WE ALREADY KNEW. HOWEVER, WE FELT OUR CALLS WERE NOT HANDLED IN A TIMELY FASHION AND THEREFORE PUT US INTO A WX SIT THAT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED. CONGESTION ON THE FREQ AND WX WERE THE 2 MAIN CONTRIBUTING FACTORS GOVERNING THIS SIT. THE CAPT DID WHAT HE COULD TO MAINTAIN ALT AND HDG UNDER RATHER TURBULENT CONDITIONS. CTR COULD HAVE RESPONDED TO OUR CALLS AND GIVEN A SMALL DEV TO THE R AND/OR A LOWER ALT ASSIGNMENT WHICH WOULD HAVE RESULTED IN A SMOOTHER TIME FOR ALL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.