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Attributes | |
ACN | 252465 |
Time | |
Date | 199309 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sea |
State Reference | WA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Dawn |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 23500 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 252465 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : far non adherence other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
During aircraft preflight on first flight of the day, both DME's worked normally. Later, prior to pushback, both DME's dropped off, then came back on, then off again. We both felt that the chances of both DME's acting this way was a transmitter problem, not a receiver problem. Because of this, we decided to pushback and see if a different location might solve the problem. The problem, however, still existed after pushback. I thought we were 'dead in the water' at this point and told the first officer to call dispatch and tell them we were returning to the gate. Dispatch confirmed with our maintenance people and advised us that they could only offer 1 DME, but since we were already 'en route' all we needed to do was advise ATC and continue the flight (WX was clear at destination and forecast clear and fuel was more than adequate). After some discussion in the cockpit we decided that although it sounded a bit strange, their solution might work ok. We advised ATC, got an amended altitude of FL230 and completed the flight. I am still not 100 percent sure we violated any FARS but we certainly stretched them a bit and hindsight says not to do that again. Also, though this probably is quite remote, both DME's did fail and had to be replaced.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN MLG ACR ACFT OPERATED ACFT CONTRARY TO THE ACFT MEL SINCE BOTH DME RADIOS WERE NOT WORKING DURING PRE TKOF CHKLIST.
Narrative: DURING ACFT PREFLT ON FIRST FLT OF THE DAY, BOTH DME'S WORKED NORMALLY. LATER, PRIOR TO PUSHBACK, BOTH DME'S DROPPED OFF, THEN CAME BACK ON, THEN OFF AGAIN. WE BOTH FELT THAT THE CHANCES OF BOTH DME'S ACTING THIS WAY WAS A XMITTER PROB, NOT A RECEIVER PROB. BECAUSE OF THIS, WE DECIDED TO PUSHBACK AND SEE IF A DIFFERENT LOCATION MIGHT SOLVE THE PROB. THE PROB, HOWEVER, STILL EXISTED AFTER PUSHBACK. I THOUGHT WE WERE 'DEAD IN THE WATER' AT THIS POINT AND TOLD THE FO TO CALL DISPATCH AND TELL THEM WE WERE RETURNING TO THE GATE. DISPATCH CONFIRMED WITH OUR MAINT PEOPLE AND ADVISED US THAT THEY COULD ONLY OFFER 1 DME, BUT SINCE WE WERE ALREADY 'ENRTE' ALL WE NEEDED TO DO WAS ADVISE ATC AND CONTINUE THE FLT (WX WAS CLR AT DEST AND FORECAST CLR AND FUEL WAS MORE THAN ADEQUATE). AFTER SOME DISCUSSION IN THE COCKPIT WE DECIDED THAT ALTHOUGH IT SOUNDED A BIT STRANGE, THEIR SOLUTION MIGHT WORK OK. WE ADVISED ATC, GOT AN AMENDED ALT OF FL230 AND COMPLETED THE FLT. I AM STILL NOT 100 PERCENT SURE WE VIOLATED ANY FARS BUT WE CERTAINLY STRETCHED THEM A BIT AND HINDSIGHT SAYS NOT TO DO THAT AGAIN. ALSO, THOUGH THIS PROBABLY IS QUITE REMOTE, BOTH DME'S DID FAIL AND HAD TO BE REPLACED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.