37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Attributes | |
ACN | 254276 |
Time | |
Date | 199310 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : yqx |
State Reference | NF |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 200 agl bound upper : 1400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : yqx |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : straight in |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 254276 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 7900 flight time type : 1300 |
ASRS Report | 254823 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
The back course ILS 22 approach requires 1 pilot to be on yqx until the missed approach point. Therefore there is no backup to the PF. When the localizer was tuned, a DME mileage appeared that appeared to be an ILS DME -- is there one? We think the copilot started down on his DME (PF) and this was not caught due to workload, i.e., landing check, landing clearance with frequency change, speed bug and flap change. The result was early descent to minimums over dark, unlit terrain resulting in a 'pull up' which probably saved serious problems. Climb was initiated to approximately visual GS and landing made in normal manner. Crew fatigue and 'back of the clock' were contributors. ILS DME? Unrpted was a major contributor. Lack of spatial and altitude awareness was, ultimately, the cardinal sin. It is possible, but unlikely, that the approach was flown legally but descent was started too rapidly to insure 'comfortable' terrain clearance. Missed callouts by captain at shea were probably a big reason things went so poorly. Supplemental information from acn 254823: all crew members were confused on what had happened and after lengthy discussion and investigation the following was discovered. Localizer back course runway 22 approach (effective sep/xx/93) frequency 109.5 has a co-located DME that is not noted on the approach plate. First officer looked quickly at the DME and saw 7.9 mi but it was on the localizer not off of yqx as required by the approach. Result was descent to MDA 3 mi early! A critical error was made but was initiated by a DME no one was prepared for. This is a potentially dangerous approach that caught us.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR GOT A TERRAIN WARNING ON A NIGHT INST APCH.
Narrative: THE BACK COURSE ILS 22 APCH REQUIRES 1 PLT TO BE ON YQX UNTIL THE MISSED APCH POINT. THEREFORE THERE IS NO BACKUP TO THE PF. WHEN THE LOC WAS TUNED, A DME MILEAGE APPEARED THAT APPEARED TO BE AN ILS DME -- IS THERE ONE? WE THINK THE COPLT STARTED DOWN ON HIS DME (PF) AND THIS WAS NOT CAUGHT DUE TO WORKLOAD, I.E., LNDG CHK, LNDG CLRNC WITH FREQ CHANGE, SPD BUG AND FLAP CHANGE. THE RESULT WAS EARLY DSCNT TO MINIMUMS OVER DARK, UNLIT TERRAIN RESULTING IN A 'PULL UP' WHICH PROBABLY SAVED SERIOUS PROBS. CLB WAS INITIATED TO APPROX VISUAL GS AND LNDG MADE IN NORMAL MANNER. CREW FATIGUE AND 'BACK OF THE CLOCK' WERE CONTRIBUTORS. ILS DME? UNRPTED WAS A MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR. LACK OF SPATIAL AND ALT AWARENESS WAS, ULTIMATELY, THE CARDINAL SIN. IT IS POSSIBLE, BUT UNLIKELY, THAT THE APCH WAS FLOWN LEGALLY BUT DSCNT WAS STARTED TOO RAPIDLY TO INSURE 'COMFORTABLE' TERRAIN CLRNC. MISSED CALLOUTS BY CAPT AT SHEA WERE PROBABLY A BIG REASON THINGS WENT SO POORLY. SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION FROM ACN 254823: ALL CREW MEMBERS WERE CONFUSED ON WHAT HAD HAPPENED AND AFTER LENGTHY DISCUSSION AND INVESTIGATION THE FOLLOWING WAS DISCOVERED. LOC BACK COURSE RWY 22 APCH (EFFECTIVE SEP/XX/93) FREQ 109.5 HAS A CO-LOCATED DME THAT IS NOT NOTED ON THE APCH PLATE. FO LOOKED QUICKLY AT THE DME AND SAW 7.9 MI BUT IT WAS ON THE LOC NOT OFF OF YQX AS REQUIRED BY THE APCH. RESULT WAS DSCNT TO MDA 3 MI EARLY! A CRITICAL ERROR WAS MADE BUT WAS INITIATED BY A DME NO ONE WAS PREPARED FOR. THIS IS A POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS APCH THAT CAUGHT US.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.