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Attributes | |
ACN | 255795 |
Time | |
Date | 199310 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : iai airport : phko |
State Reference | HI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zhn tracon : ont |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other other |
Route In Use | approach : circling |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 255795 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 800 |
ASRS Report | 255241 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I was PIC of flight operating in scheduled passenger service between hnl and keahole-kona international airport (phko). I had never flown with this first officer on the medium large transport, but I had flown with him on the heavy transport (he is an flight engineer), and he always did a good job. On our jumpseat was an FAA inspector from the boston area. He was part of a nacip team. While still under hnl center control, we were cleared to intercept the iai 339 degree radial and proceed to the 15 DME fix to hold northwest, right turns and maintain 3000 ft. We were given an expect approach clearance time. After 1 turn in holding we were cleared for the VOR approach runway 17 circle runway 35. The approach and landing were normal. After shutdown, the inspector stated that he didn't hear anyone report entering holding. The first officer, who was operating the radios said he thought he did report. I don't know if he did or not. I explained to the inspector that while phko did not have terminal radar, we were still under center control while holding. Center never called radar contact lost or radar service terminated. The airman's information manual says a report of entering holding is not required in a radar environment, which we were at the time. The inspector said he would have to check into it.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACI IN JUMPSEAT COMPLAINS THAT FLC DID NOT RPT ENTERING HOLDING IN A RADAR ENVIRONMENT.
Narrative: I WAS PIC OF FLT OPERATING IN SCHEDULED PAX SVC BTWN HNL AND KEAHOLE-KONA INTL ARPT (PHKO). I HAD NEVER FLOWN WITH THIS FO ON THE MLG, BUT I HAD FLOWN WITH HIM ON THE HVT (HE IS AN FE), AND HE ALWAYS DID A GOOD JOB. ON OUR JUMPSEAT WAS AN FAA INSPECTOR FROM THE BOSTON AREA. HE WAS PART OF A NACIP TEAM. WHILE STILL UNDER HNL CTR CTL, WE WERE CLRED TO INTERCEPT THE IAI 339 DEG RADIAL AND PROCEED TO THE 15 DME FIX TO HOLD NW, R TURNS AND MAINTAIN 3000 FT. WE WERE GIVEN AN EXPECT APCH CLRNC TIME. AFTER 1 TURN IN HOLDING WE WERE CLRED FOR THE VOR APCH RWY 17 CIRCLE RWY 35. THE APCH AND LNDG WERE NORMAL. AFTER SHUTDOWN, THE INSPECTOR STATED THAT HE DIDN'T HEAR ANYONE RPT ENTERING HOLDING. THE FO, WHO WAS OPERATING THE RADIOS SAID HE THOUGHT HE DID RPT. I DON'T KNOW IF HE DID OR NOT. I EXPLAINED TO THE INSPECTOR THAT WHILE PHKO DID NOT HAVE TERMINAL RADAR, WE WERE STILL UNDER CTR CTL WHILE HOLDING. CTR NEVER CALLED RADAR CONTACT LOST OR RADAR SVC TERMINATED. THE AIRMAN'S INFO MANUAL SAYS A RPT OF ENTERING HOLDING IS NOT REQUIRED IN A RADAR ENVIRONMENT, WHICH WE WERE AT THE TIME. THE INSPECTOR SAID HE WOULD HAVE TO CHK INTO IT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.