An air carrier large transport crew was unable to communication with commercial rdo on the ground at...

Attributes
ACN	257406
Time
Date	199311
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : tkk
State Reference	FO
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : preflight other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 4000
ASRS Report	257406
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Aircraft
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation other

Narrative:

Flight was issued a cruise clearance from pni to tkk and a through clearance tkk - gum with a void time of XA40 GMT out of tkk - we were told to report landing in tkk. After landing first officer repeatedly tried to communication with hnl commercial radio on HF on all frequency but was unable to make contact with them. We took off from tkk at XA22 (GMT) before our void time and so was able after 10 mins to raise hnl commercial radio for a departure report. Oak center advised us that they had not received our landing report in tkk and had contacted gum center to find out about flight. As far as we know, sar was not initiated. This seems to be a recurrent problem on some of the remote islands of the pacific - propagation time and location play havoc with HF communication. Several times long distance phone calls have to made to oak center to get a clearance, in this day and age we should have better means of communication than HF. I look forward to sat communication for all airlines. A possible way to improve this so that it does not recur would be for tkk operations to relay via telex our company in guam which in turn would relay to ATC in guam which would relay to oak center.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AN ACR LGT CREW WAS UNABLE TO COM WITH COMMERCIAL RDO ON THE GND AT TKK.

Narrative: FLT WAS ISSUED A CRUISE CLRNC FROM PNI TO TKK AND A THROUGH CLRNC TKK - GUM WITH A VOID TIME OF XA40 GMT OUT OF TKK - WE WERE TOLD TO RPT LNDG IN TKK. AFTER LNDG FO REPEATEDLY TRIED TO COM WITH HNL COMMERCIAL RADIO ON HF ON ALL FREQ BUT WAS UNABLE TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THEM. WE TOOK OFF FROM TKK AT XA22 (GMT) BEFORE OUR VOID TIME AND SO WAS ABLE AFTER 10 MINS TO RAISE HNL COMMERCIAL RADIO FOR A DEP RPT. OAK CTR ADVISED US THAT THEY HAD NOT RECEIVED OUR LNDG RPT IN TKK AND HAD CONTACTED GUM CTR TO FIND OUT ABOUT FLT. AS FAR AS WE KNOW, SAR WAS NOT INITIATED. THIS SEEMS TO BE A RECURRENT PROB ON SOME OF THE REMOTE ISLANDS OF THE PACIFIC - PROPAGATION TIME AND LOCATION PLAY HAVOC WITH HF COM. SEVERAL TIMES LONG DISTANCE PHONE CALLS HAVE TO MADE TO OAK CTR TO GET A CLRNC, IN THIS DAY AND AGE WE SHOULD HAVE BETTER MEANS OF COM THAN HF. I LOOK FORWARD TO SAT COM FOR ALL AIRLINES. A POSSIBLE WAY TO IMPROVE THIS SO THAT IT DOES NOT RECUR WOULD BE FOR TKK OPS TO RELAY VIA TELEX OUR COMPANY IN GUAM WHICH IN TURN WOULD RELAY TO ATC IN GUAM WHICH WOULD RELAY TO OAK CTR.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

An air carrier large transport crew was unable to communication with commercial rdo on the ground at tkk.