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Attributes | |
ACN | 258152 |
Time | |
Date | 199311 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : bdf |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 34000 msl bound upper : 35000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 5700 flight time type : 1734 |
ASRS Report | 258152 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 256801 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 18000 vertical : 1000 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Center had us descend from FL370 to FL350 and turn to 360 degree heading for vectors to the arrival at ord. At about XX20, we got a TCASII 'traffic, traffic' alert followed quickly by a 'descend, descend' TCASII command. About this time, ATC called us. We couldn't understand them because of the TCASII command. Then another aircraft came on frequency. The captain started a descent to FL340. I attempted to transmit our action -- 'descending now to FL340 for a TCASII command.' ATC acknowledged the descent and issued a turn to 090 degrees. We saw the TCASII traffic pass from 1 to 10 O'clock -- within 3 NM, according to our TCASII display. After the situation had stabilized, I asked center what he thought had just happened. He responded that he left us on our heading too long.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TCASII RESOLVES A CONFLICT WHEN AN MLG WAS LEFT ON A VECTOR TOO LONG.
Narrative: CTR HAD US DSND FROM FL370 TO FL350 AND TURN TO 360 DEG HDG FOR VECTORS TO THE ARR AT ORD. AT ABOUT XX20, WE GOT A TCASII 'TFC, TFC' ALERT FOLLOWED QUICKLY BY A 'DSND, DSND' TCASII COMMAND. ABOUT THIS TIME, ATC CALLED US. WE COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THEM BECAUSE OF THE TCASII COMMAND. THEN ANOTHER ACFT CAME ON FREQ. THE CAPT STARTED A DSCNT TO FL340. I ATTEMPTED TO XMIT OUR ACTION -- 'DSNDING NOW TO FL340 FOR A TCASII COMMAND.' ATC ACKNOWLEDGED THE DSCNT AND ISSUED A TURN TO 090 DEGS. WE SAW THE TCASII TFC PASS FROM 1 TO 10 O'CLOCK -- WITHIN 3 NM, ACCORDING TO OUR TCASII DISPLAY. AFTER THE SIT HAD STABILIZED, I ASKED CTR WHAT HE THOUGHT HAD JUST HAPPENED. HE RESPONDED THAT HE LEFT US ON OUR HDG TOO LONG.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.