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Attributes | |
ACN | 258788 |
Time | |
Date | 199312 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 5900 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 258788 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 1700 |
ASRS Report | 258905 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : clearance non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 400 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
I was PIC of air carrier X, an mdt lax-sba, passenger aircraft. An IFR flight plan was filed and we obtained the IFR clearance from lax ATC. WX was VMC, no ceiling, good visibility. Lax tower cleared our flight for takeoff on runway 24R, heading 270 degrees at the shoreline, maintain 2000 ft. On our takeoff roll we heard lax tower clear for takeoff 'air carrier Y' from runway 24L and was told to maintain visual separation with our aircraft. After contacting lax departure we were cleared to 6000 ft, upon reaching 6000 ft, cleared direct vtu VOR. Shortly thereafter, we received a TA on our TCASII and noted an intruder at our 6 O'clock position. We were operating the TCASII on the 5 NM ring. The first officer was PF so my attention was more focused towards the TCASII intruder at this time. Shortly thereafter the TA turned to an RA climb (1500 FPM) command. We complied and noticed the intruder now closing very fast on us from the 6 O'clock position. Shortly thereafter we received a strengthen RA command 'increase climb' (2500 FPM). We complied but now at full power our airspeed was just above stick shaker speed. We were astonished at the vertical closure rate of the 6 O'clock intruder throughout the RA series and estimated in no way could we out climb the intruder at this point. The intruder was now directly below the pictorial aircraft depicted on the TCASII screen and operating the TCASII on the 'altitude' mode indicated approximately 3200 ft (our altitude approximately 3400 ft). I advised the first officer to take evasive action (right banked turn) and we ended up heading 310 degrees. Shortly thereafter the TCASII indicated clear of conflict. We advised ATC that we were responding to an RA and the controller told us to fly a left turn back to approximately 210 degrees and maintain 4000 ft. He then cleared us to 6000 ft direct vtu VOR. From the first TA through the final 'clear of conflict' we could never establish visual contact with the intruder. After questioning the departure controller he advised 'I don't like it when the tower releases faster traffic to maintain visual separation.' after phoning lax tower and speaking with a supervisor he advised me in an arrogant, cavalier attitude 'we did everything correct, by the book, and your problem is not with us but with the pilot of the intruder aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SECOND DEPARTING ACFT CATCHES UP WITH THE FIRST DEPARTING ACFT AND CAUSES THE TCASII TO GO OFF.
Narrative: I WAS PIC OF ACR X, AN MDT LAX-SBA, PAX ACFT. AN IFR FLT PLAN WAS FILED AND WE OBTAINED THE IFR CLRNC FROM LAX ATC. WX WAS VMC, NO CEILING, GOOD VISIBILITY. LAX TWR CLRED OUR FLT FOR TKOF ON RWY 24R, HDG 270 DEGS AT THE SHORELINE, MAINTAIN 2000 FT. ON OUR TKOF ROLL WE HEARD LAX TWR CLR FOR TKOF 'ACR Y' FROM RWY 24L AND WAS TOLD TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION WITH OUR ACFT. AFTER CONTACTING LAX DEP WE WERE CLRED TO 6000 FT, UPON REACHING 6000 FT, CLRED DIRECT VTU VOR. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, WE RECEIVED A TA ON OUR TCASII AND NOTED AN INTRUDER AT OUR 6 O'CLOCK POS. WE WERE OPERATING THE TCASII ON THE 5 NM RING. THE FO WAS PF SO MY ATTN WAS MORE FOCUSED TOWARDS THE TCASII INTRUDER AT THIS TIME. SHORTLY THEREAFTER THE TA TURNED TO AN RA CLB (1500 FPM) COMMAND. WE COMPLIED AND NOTICED THE INTRUDER NOW CLOSING VERY FAST ON US FROM THE 6 O'CLOCK POS. SHORTLY THEREAFTER WE RECEIVED A STRENGTHEN RA COMMAND 'INCREASE CLB' (2500 FPM). WE COMPLIED BUT NOW AT FULL PWR OUR AIRSPD WAS JUST ABOVE STICK SHAKER SPD. WE WERE ASTONISHED AT THE VERT CLOSURE RATE OF THE 6 O'CLOCK INTRUDER THROUGHOUT THE RA SERIES AND ESTIMATED IN NO WAY COULD WE OUT CLB THE INTRUDER AT THIS POINT. THE INTRUDER WAS NOW DIRECTLY BELOW THE PICTORIAL ACFT DEPICTED ON THE TCASII SCREEN AND OPERATING THE TCASII ON THE 'ALT' MODE INDICATED APPROX 3200 FT (OUR ALT APPROX 3400 FT). I ADVISED THE FO TO TAKE EVASIVE ACTION (R BANKED TURN) AND WE ENDED UP HDG 310 DEGS. SHORTLY THEREAFTER THE TCASII INDICATED CLR OF CONFLICT. WE ADVISED ATC THAT WE WERE RESPONDING TO AN RA AND THE CTLR TOLD US TO FLY A L TURN BACK TO APPROX 210 DEGS AND MAINTAIN 4000 FT. HE THEN CLRED US TO 6000 FT DIRECT VTU VOR. FROM THE FIRST TA THROUGH THE FINAL 'CLR OF CONFLICT' WE COULD NEVER ESTABLISH VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE INTRUDER. AFTER QUESTIONING THE DEP CTLR HE ADVISED 'I DON'T LIKE IT WHEN THE TWR RELEASES FASTER TFC TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION.' AFTER PHONING LAX TWR AND SPEAKING WITH A SUPVR HE ADVISED ME IN AN ARROGANT, CAVALIER ATTITUDE 'WE DID EVERYTHING CORRECT, BY THE BOOK, AND YOUR PROB IS NOT WITH US BUT WITH THE PLT OF THE INTRUDER ACFT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.