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A flight of military aircraft departure an adjacent military facility on a SID and radar contact was not established until well after takeoff.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 260640 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199401 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : slc |
| State Reference | UT |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 19000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : slc |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Fighter |
| Operating Under FAR Part | other : other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure sid : sid enroute airway : slc |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : departure |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller radar : 6 |
| ASRS Report | 260640 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : military |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : military |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Navigational Facility |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| Navigational Aid | Unspecified |
Narrative:
4 fgts off hafb, ut, alpine departure profile puts the departure's flight path right up against the mountains. For whatever reason, we have a very difficult time tracking this profile. If radar data is lost, what do we do? The mountains on 1 side and downwind and departures on the other. We had received no guidance on how to handle this. In this instance, we completely lost radar data. The controller's workload is increased 3-4 times trying to figure out where the departure is. We were lucky to have been slow today.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A FLT OF MIL ACFT DEP AN ADJACENT MIL FACILITY ON A SID AND RADAR CONTACT WAS NOT ESTABLISHED UNTIL WELL AFTER TKOF.
Narrative: 4 FGTS OFF HAFB, UT, ALPINE DEP PROFILE PUTS THE DEP'S FLT PATH RIGHT UP AGAINST THE MOUNTAINS. FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT TIME TRACKING THIS PROFILE. IF RADAR DATA IS LOST, WHAT DO WE DO? THE MOUNTAINS ON 1 SIDE AND DOWNWIND AND DEPS ON THE OTHER. WE HAD RECEIVED NO GUIDANCE ON HOW TO HANDLE THIS. IN THIS INSTANCE, WE COMPLETELY LOST RADAR DATA. THE CTLR'S WORKLOAD IS INCREASED 3-4 TIMES TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE DEP IS. WE WERE LUCKY TO HAVE BEEN SLOW TODAY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.