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Attributes | |
ACN | 260698 |
Time | |
Date | 199401 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga |
State Reference | NY |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 tower : lga tower : dtw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : takeoff |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 6500 |
ASRS Report | 260698 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : overcame equipment problem |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
Airport | other physical facility |
Narrative:
We were cleared for a maspeth climb on departure from runway 13 at lga. During taxi out that was changed to a whitestone climb. After checking runway heading while in position on runway 13, my HSI compass heading was reasonably normal. During takeoff roll, about 1/2 way down the runway, our heading comparator light came on. I then noticed briefly what appeared to be a 15 degree to 20 degree heading split. With our flight directors and autoplt unusable at this time, we continued our takeoff and departure. With this warning light still on, we continued our departure, and once again our departure was again changed. During the takeoff roll, an aborted takeoff was considered but with good WX, and this problem only expected to be brief, we continued. We could generally see our planned departure by orienting some ground check points. ATC never questioned any headings. Some factors are: all takeoffs from runway 13 at lga, that I have made recently, have had compass problems - magnetic deviations. Our procedures warn us of this problem. I may have had to consider an abort if the WX was 800 RVR? I am sure that I am not the only aircraft to have had these problems. Complicated departure routings. Departure changed 3 times. Workload - - autoplt and flight director unusable with misaligned compasses. Under bad WX/visibility, this can be dangerous. Can this steel pier magnetic problem be corrected? Rapid rate of continuous turns necessary on this runway 13 departure does not allow compass system to reset itself quickly. (5 mins in our case). ATC must understand this problem and allow for it; exact compass reading/alignment should possibly be made just before departure on this runway. Generally correct, as we did, may not be good enough! Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter is a captain on an md-80. He has flown several types of aircraft into lga including the dc-10 and B727. He states that all of these aircraft have shown a similar type of magnetic anomaly when departing runway 13 and runway 22. Both of these runways start on piers built out into the bay. The piers are constructed of steel and reinforced concrete. The reporter's air carrier publishes a page for his flight manual that contains a warning regarding possible magnetic disturbance. Neither the commercial, NOAA, nor department of defense manuals contain any warning regarding magnetic disturbance on these runways at lga. The reporter was surprised and disappointed to find that there have been no other reports to ASRS about this phenomenon. The reporter believes that the md-80 may be more susceptible to this than other aircraft that he has flown through lga.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR MD-80 CAPT RPTS MAGNETIC DISTURBANCES WHEN DEP RWYS 13 AND 22 AT LGA.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED FOR A MASPETH CLB ON DEP FROM RWY 13 AT LGA. DURING TAXI OUT THAT WAS CHANGED TO A WHITESTONE CLB. AFTER CHKING RWY HDG WHILE IN POS ON RWY 13, MY HSI COMPASS HDG WAS REASONABLY NORMAL. DURING TKOF ROLL, ABOUT 1/2 WAY DOWN THE RWY, OUR HDG COMPARATOR LIGHT CAME ON. I THEN NOTICED BRIEFLY WHAT APPEARED TO BE A 15 DEG TO 20 DEG HDG SPLIT. WITH OUR FLT DIRECTORS AND AUTOPLT UNUSABLE AT THIS TIME, WE CONTINUED OUR TKOF AND DEP. WITH THIS WARNING LIGHT STILL ON, WE CONTINUED OUR DEP, AND ONCE AGAIN OUR DEP WAS AGAIN CHANGED. DURING THE TKOF ROLL, AN ABORTED TKOF WAS CONSIDERED BUT WITH GOOD WX, AND THIS PROB ONLY EXPECTED TO BE BRIEF, WE CONTINUED. WE COULD GENERALLY SEE OUR PLANNED DEP BY ORIENTING SOME GND CHK POINTS. ATC NEVER QUESTIONED ANY HDGS. SOME FACTORS ARE: ALL TKOFS FROM RWY 13 AT LGA, THAT I HAVE MADE RECENTLY, HAVE HAD COMPASS PROBS - MAGNETIC DEVS. OUR PROCS WARN US OF THIS PROB. I MAY HAVE HAD TO CONSIDER AN ABORT IF THE WX WAS 800 RVR? I AM SURE THAT I AM NOT THE ONLY ACFT TO HAVE HAD THESE PROBS. COMPLICATED DEP ROUTINGS. DEP CHANGED 3 TIMES. WORKLOAD - - AUTOPLT AND FLT DIRECTOR UNUSABLE WITH MISALIGNED COMPASSES. UNDER BAD WX/VISIBILITY, THIS CAN BE DANGEROUS. CAN THIS STEEL PIER MAGNETIC PROB BE CORRECTED? RAPID RATE OF CONTINUOUS TURNS NECESSARY ON THIS RWY 13 DEP DOES NOT ALLOW COMPASS SYS TO RESET ITSELF QUICKLY. (5 MINS IN OUR CASE). ATC MUST UNDERSTAND THIS PROB AND ALLOW FOR IT; EXACT COMPASS READING/ALIGNMENT SHOULD POSSIBLY BE MADE JUST BEFORE DEP ON THIS RWY. GENERALLY CORRECT, AS WE DID, MAY NOT BE GOOD ENOUGH! CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR IS A CAPT ON AN MD-80. HE HAS FLOWN SEVERAL TYPES OF ACFT INTO LGA INCLUDING THE DC-10 AND B727. HE STATES THAT ALL OF THESE ACFT HAVE SHOWN A SIMILAR TYPE OF MAGNETIC ANOMALY WHEN DEPARTING RWY 13 AND RWY 22. BOTH OF THESE RWYS START ON PIERS BUILT OUT INTO THE BAY. THE PIERS ARE CONSTRUCTED OF STEEL AND REINFORCED CONCRETE. THE RPTR'S ACR PUBLISHES A PAGE FOR HIS FLT MANUAL THAT CONTAINS A WARNING REGARDING POSSIBLE MAGNETIC DISTURBANCE. NEITHER THE COMMERCIAL, NOAA, NOR DEPT OF DEFENSE MANUALS CONTAIN ANY WARNING REGARDING MAGNETIC DISTURBANCE ON THESE RWYS AT LGA. THE RPTR WAS SURPRISED AND DISAPPOINTED TO FIND THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NO OTHER RPTS TO ASRS ABOUT THIS PHENOMENON. THE RPTR BELIEVES THAT THE MD-80 MAY BE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO THIS THAN OTHER ACFT THAT HE HAS FLOWN THROUGH LGA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.