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Small aircraft X conflict with dc-9 and B737 while making practice instrument approach. See and avoid concept. Evasive action taken.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 262071 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199401 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : ict |
| State Reference | KS |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : ict |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 1900 flight time type : 400 |
| ASRS Report | 262071 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Small aircraft X flying the NDB 1R full procedure for practice. Visual approach runway 1L in use, runway 1R closed. Incident 1: over NDB, entering hold, ATC vectored a dc-9 directly ahead of us (less than 1 mi, less than 400 ft above us), to descend to runway 1L. No evasive action taken. Encountered minimal wake turbulence. Incident 2 (almost immediately afterward): we were cleared for full procedure NDB 1R, which intersects final approach course to runway 1L. As we turned into the procedure turn, a 737 descended through our altitude less than a mi away. To miss him and his turbulence, we turned eastbound, blowing east (winds at surface 330 degrees at 12 KTS) of runway 1R final approach course. I replied that we deviated to maintain visual separation with the 737 and his turbulence. ATC should pay closer attention to conflicting traffic, especially in 'mixed' meteorological conditions. Pilots can often not see above and behind, as in the case of the dc-9 conflict. We were on an IFR clearance in VMC at the time.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA X CONFLICT WITH DC-9 AND B737 WHILE MAKING PRACTICE INST APCH. SEE AND AVOID CONCEPT. EVASIVE ACTION TAKEN.
Narrative: SMA X FLYING THE NDB 1R FULL PROC FOR PRACTICE. VISUAL APCH RWY 1L IN USE, RWY 1R CLOSED. INCIDENT 1: OVER NDB, ENTERING HOLD, ATC VECTORED A DC-9 DIRECTLY AHEAD OF US (LESS THAN 1 MI, LESS THAN 400 FT ABOVE US), TO DSND TO RWY 1L. NO EVASIVE ACTION TAKEN. ENCOUNTERED MINIMAL WAKE TURB. INCIDENT 2 (ALMOST IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARD): WE WERE CLRED FOR FULL PROC NDB 1R, WHICH INTERSECTS FINAL APCH COURSE TO RWY 1L. AS WE TURNED INTO THE PROC TURN, A 737 DSNDED THROUGH OUR ALT LESS THAN A MI AWAY. TO MISS HIM AND HIS TURB, WE TURNED EBOUND, BLOWING E (WINDS AT SURFACE 330 DEGS AT 12 KTS) OF RWY 1R FINAL APCH COURSE. I REPLIED THAT WE DEVIATED TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION WITH THE 737 AND HIS TURB. ATC SHOULD PAY CLOSER ATTN TO CONFLICTING TFC, ESPECIALLY IN 'MIXED' METEOROLOGICAL CONDITIONS. PLTS CAN OFTEN NOT SEE ABOVE AND BEHIND, AS IN THE CASE OF THE DC-9 CONFLICT. WE WERE ON AN IFR CLRNC IN VMC AT THE TIME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.