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Attributes | |
ACN | 262426 |
Time | |
Date | 199401 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sfo |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 1000 agl bound upper : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : oak |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 170 flight time total : 14850 flight time type : 2210 |
ASRS Report | 262426 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 700 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were on a golden gate 3 arrival to sfo and cleared to cross lestr at 11000 ft and 250 KTS, then a descent to 6000 ft, then descend to 4000 ft and a base turn to 180 degrees. Turning through about 120 degrees, we were given a turn to 280 degrees. First officer called the field in sight for the visual (quiet bridge) to runway 28R. Approach control called traffic (light twin) on a visual to runway 28L. We saw the traffic at about 11-12 O'clock, level to slightly high. I saw that horizontal and vertical separation was going to be a problem, so I increased the bank angle from 25-30 degrees to about 45-50 degrees and kept the descent rate at about 1800 FPM. TCASII said 'monitor vertical speed,' then 'increase descent' (I increased to about 2500-2800 FPM) and rolled out on about a 310 degree heading and then we got the 'clear of conflict' from the TCASII and made a normal landing on runway 28R. I feel that this problem arose from : 1) classic 'slam dunk' into sfo doesn't work very well for aerodynamically efficient aircraft like the 757 -- need more controller education/pilot dialogue. 2) wind at altitude was from the north at 30-40 KTS which further contributed to the traffic conflict. 3) I feel traffic should be staggered 1/4 to 1/2 mi when parallel approachs are in use at sfo. 4) it's hard to 'slow down,' 'go down,' and turn all at once in the 757 -- again, more controller awareness and prior planning.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR B757 FOUND ITSELF IN TROUBLE MAKING A 'SLAM DUNK' VISUAL APCH AT SFO.
Narrative: WE WERE ON A GOLDEN GATE 3 ARR TO SFO AND CLRED TO CROSS LESTR AT 11000 FT AND 250 KTS, THEN A DSCNT TO 6000 FT, THEN DSND TO 4000 FT AND A BASE TURN TO 180 DEGS. TURNING THROUGH ABOUT 120 DEGS, WE WERE GIVEN A TURN TO 280 DEGS. FO CALLED THE FIELD IN SIGHT FOR THE VISUAL (QUIET BRIDGE) TO RWY 28R. APCH CTL CALLED TFC (LIGHT TWIN) ON A VISUAL TO RWY 28L. WE SAW THE TFC AT ABOUT 11-12 O'CLOCK, LEVEL TO SLIGHTLY HIGH. I SAW THAT HORIZ AND VERT SEPARATION WAS GOING TO BE A PROB, SO I INCREASED THE BANK ANGLE FROM 25-30 DEGS TO ABOUT 45-50 DEGS AND KEPT THE DSCNT RATE AT ABOUT 1800 FPM. TCASII SAID 'MONITOR VERT SPD,' THEN 'INCREASE DSCNT' (I INCREASED TO ABOUT 2500-2800 FPM) AND ROLLED OUT ON ABOUT A 310 DEG HDG AND THEN WE GOT THE 'CLR OF CONFLICT' FROM THE TCASII AND MADE A NORMAL LNDG ON RWY 28R. I FEEL THAT THIS PROB AROSE FROM : 1) CLASSIC 'SLAM DUNK' INTO SFO DOESN'T WORK VERY WELL FOR AERODYNAMICALLY EFFICIENT ACFT LIKE THE 757 -- NEED MORE CTLR EDUCATION/PLT DIALOGUE. 2) WIND AT ALT WAS FROM THE N AT 30-40 KTS WHICH FURTHER CONTRIBUTED TO THE TFC CONFLICT. 3) I FEEL TFC SHOULD BE STAGGERED 1/4 TO 1/2 MI WHEN PARALLEL APCHS ARE IN USE AT SFO. 4) IT'S HARD TO 'SLOW DOWN,' 'GO DOWN,' AND TURN ALL AT ONCE IN THE 757 -- AGAIN, MORE CTLR AWARENESS AND PRIOR PLANNING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.