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Attributes | |
ACN | 263522 |
Time | |
Date | 199402 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : oak |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 2500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : oak tower : oak |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial landing : missed approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 1100 flight time type : 185 |
ASRS Report | 263522 |
Person 2 | |
Function | other personnel other |
Qualification | pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : vfr in imc non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Small aircraft X cleared for the oakland ILS 27R approach. We requested a low approach followed by another ILS approach into oakland. The tower told us that we were cleared for the low approach followed by a right turn to 080 degrees at or below 2500 ft. (Both I and check airman have our notes to confirm this.) we did the low approach, did not cancel IFR and were not told to maintain VFR on the missed, so we followed the instructions of the right turn to 080 degrees and climbed to 2500 ft right into the scattered layer of clouds. Tower then told us to contact bay approach which we did. Bay gave us another heading and altitude and told us to maintain VFR. I responded 'unable we're in IMC.' he asked me and I responded 3 times that we were in IMC and he then reiterated, you left oak in VFR and now you're IMC. I said affirmative. It was VFR conditions over the airport and now we were in clouds. He then gave us a clearance. He later came back and asked if we had canceled IFR and I said no. He asked if we were told to maintain VFR and I said no. He said there had been a miscom. After landing, I called bay approach and went over the situation with an extremely helpful controller who said he would call oak tower and make sure the oak controller concerned was instructed to make it clear if he was giving VFR versus IFR clrncs. This type of miscom could have resulted in complete disaster. I don't even want to contemplate the picture of us being vectored right into hills. Unfortunately, this is not the only instance of controllers at oak and hwd and some other bay area facilities not making it clear if they intended their instructions to be IFR or VFR. I feel very strongly that a change in SOP is in order for ATC especially when it comes to missed approach/post low approach procedures e.g., on one other occasion when executing post low approach(I say this because it was not clear if it was missed approach instructions) I was vectored into class B airspace and later questioned about this by ATC. Again, if it was clear it was a VFR clearance I would have been concerned about VFR rules. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: oak tower supervisor stated the procedure is to issue turn right 080 degrees, maintain VFR at or below 2500 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA X ISSUED CLRNC CFTT. PLT THOUGHT ATC WAS PROVIDING SEPARATION FROM OTHER ACFT AND TERRAIN. ATC THOUGHT PLT AVOIDING CLOUDS AND TERRAIN.
Narrative: SMA X CLRED FOR THE OAKLAND ILS 27R APCH. WE REQUESTED A LOW APCH FOLLOWED BY ANOTHER ILS APCH INTO OAKLAND. THE TWR TOLD US THAT WE WERE CLRED FOR THE LOW APCH FOLLOWED BY A R TURN TO 080 DEGS AT OR BELOW 2500 FT. (BOTH I AND CHK AIRMAN HAVE OUR NOTES TO CONFIRM THIS.) WE DID THE LOW APCH, DID NOT CANCEL IFR AND WERE NOT TOLD TO MAINTAIN VFR ON THE MISSED, SO WE FOLLOWED THE INSTRUCTIONS OF THE R TURN TO 080 DEGS AND CLBED TO 2500 FT RIGHT INTO THE SCATTERED LAYER OF CLOUDS. TWR THEN TOLD US TO CONTACT BAY APCH WHICH WE DID. BAY GAVE US ANOTHER HDG AND ALT AND TOLD US TO MAINTAIN VFR. I RESPONDED 'UNABLE WE'RE IN IMC.' HE ASKED ME AND I RESPONDED 3 TIMES THAT WE WERE IN IMC AND HE THEN REITERATED, YOU LEFT OAK IN VFR AND NOW YOU'RE IMC. I SAID AFFIRMATIVE. IT WAS VFR CONDITIONS OVER THE ARPT AND NOW WE WERE IN CLOUDS. HE THEN GAVE US A CLRNC. HE LATER CAME BACK AND ASKED IF WE HAD CANCELED IFR AND I SAID NO. HE ASKED IF WE WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN VFR AND I SAID NO. HE SAID THERE HAD BEEN A MISCOM. AFTER LNDG, I CALLED BAY APCH AND WENT OVER THE SIT WITH AN EXTREMELY HELPFUL CTLR WHO SAID HE WOULD CALL OAK TWR AND MAKE SURE THE OAK CTLR CONCERNED WAS INSTRUCTED TO MAKE IT CLR IF HE WAS GIVING VFR VERSUS IFR CLRNCS. THIS TYPE OF MISCOM COULD HAVE RESULTED IN COMPLETE DISASTER. I DON'T EVEN WANT TO CONTEMPLATE THE PICTURE OF US BEING VECTORED RIGHT INTO HILLS. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS NOT THE ONLY INSTANCE OF CTLRS AT OAK AND HWD AND SOME OTHER BAY AREA FACILITIES NOT MAKING IT CLR IF THEY INTENDED THEIR INSTRUCTIONS TO BE IFR OR VFR. I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT A CHANGE IN SOP IS IN ORDER FOR ATC ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO MISSED APCH/POST LOW APCH PROCS E.G., ON ONE OTHER OCCASION WHEN EXECUTING POST LOW APCH(I SAY THIS BECAUSE IT WAS NOT CLR IF IT WAS MISSED APCH INSTRUCTIONS) I WAS VECTORED INTO CLASS B AIRSPACE AND LATER QUESTIONED ABOUT THIS BY ATC. AGAIN, IF IT WAS CLR IT WAS A VFR CLRNC I WOULD HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT VFR RULES. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: OAK TWR SUPVR STATED THE PROC IS TO ISSUE TURN R 080 DEGS, MAINTAIN VFR AT OR BELOW 2500 FT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.