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Attributes | |
ACN | 267510 |
Time | |
Date | 199403 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ory |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ory |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-10 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 45 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 267510 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
The french controllers are among the most difficult to understand and the ones most likely to change your last clearance and this day was no exception. After a long all night flight, me very new to the dc-10, and my first arrival in france since IOE, the STAR routing had been changed 3 times. We had been cleared to hold at epernon, 7 mi after having passed that VOR, then were cleared to proceed with 'standard approach,' then maintain a radial. Each time we attempted to clarify our clearance we were told 'proceed as cleared.' we finally asked again and again are we cleared for 'standard approach' and the answer was 'affirmative.' (after 3 controller changes in about 3-4 mins.) however, when we attempted to fly the standard approach, we were severely chastised and given numerous heading and altitude changes to vector us to the approach. Human factors: I'm new on aircraft and route. First officer and so old heads. They were sure we were cleared for standard approach, I wasn't! Rather than asking are we cleared for standard approach several times, I should have insisted that first officer simply ask what is our clearance.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC CONFUSION AND NON ADHERENCE TO ATC INSTRUCTIONS IN FOREIGN AIRSPACE.
Narrative: THE FRENCH CTLRS ARE AMONG THE MOST DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND AND THE ONES MOST LIKELY TO CHANGE YOUR LAST CLRNC AND THIS DAY WAS NO EXCEPTION. AFTER A LONG ALL NIGHT FLT, ME VERY NEW TO THE DC-10, AND MY FIRST ARR IN FRANCE SINCE IOE, THE STAR ROUTING HAD BEEN CHANGED 3 TIMES. WE HAD BEEN CLRED TO HOLD AT EPERNON, 7 MI AFTER HAVING PASSED THAT VOR, THEN WERE CLRED TO PROCEED WITH 'STANDARD APCH,' THEN MAINTAIN A RADIAL. EACH TIME WE ATTEMPTED TO CLARIFY OUR CLRNC WE WERE TOLD 'PROCEED AS CLRED.' WE FINALLY ASKED AGAIN AND AGAIN ARE WE CLRED FOR 'STANDARD APCH' AND THE ANSWER WAS 'AFFIRMATIVE.' (AFTER 3 CTLR CHANGES IN ABOUT 3-4 MINS.) HOWEVER, WHEN WE ATTEMPTED TO FLY THE STANDARD APCH, WE WERE SEVERELY CHASTISED AND GIVEN NUMEROUS HDG AND ALT CHANGES TO VECTOR US TO THE APCH. HUMAN FACTORS: I'M NEW ON ACFT AND RTE. FO AND SO OLD HEADS. THEY WERE SURE WE WERE CLRED FOR STANDARD APCH, I WASN'T! RATHER THAN ASKING ARE WE CLRED FOR STANDARD APCH SEVERAL TIMES, I SHOULD HAVE INSISTED THAT FO SIMPLY ASK WHAT IS OUR CLRNC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.