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Attributes | |
ACN | 267568 |
Time | |
Date | 199403 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lfi |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lfi |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Fighter |
Flight Phase | descent : approach other |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 267568 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : military |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : military |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | vertical : 150 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I had an assignment for aerial mapping at langley airport on a line approximately north to south from approximately 350 degrees at 3 mi to 270 degrees over the end of the west end of the east/west runway at 2000 ft. I had called ahead to norfolk approach control (on the telephone before departure) to let them know that we would be working in langley airspace. Over harcom VOR I contacted orf approach control and they turned me over to langley. I requested to fly the above line at 2000 ft and received permission to do so. There were shadows on the ground because of high clouds and I requested to hold over the job site at 2000 ft while the clouds moved off. We continued to hold because it looked like we were going to be able to get the job done. At some point in time while holding, 2 jets came at us from west to east at 2000 ft. I pulled up to 2300 ft and the jets missed us. I saw them only moments before, just in time to pull up. They never moved until I pulled up which makes me believe that they did not see me until I pulled up. Maybe about 15-30 mins we left because the cloud's shadows continued to go in and out. We came back later in the day and finished the job. I learned today from captain who was investigating the occurrence that there were 2 downwind altitudes for the jets, 1 at 1500 ft, which I know is standard for them, and 1 at 2000 ft, which is nonstandard. I learned that I need to do better preflight planning and checking patterned altitudes so that if the controller gives me a requested altitude, that I will know I'm operating at an altitude where other airplanes will be operating.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NMAC IN PROX OF MIL ARPT.
Narrative: I HAD AN ASSIGNMENT FOR AERIAL MAPPING AT LANGLEY ARPT ON A LINE APPROX N TO S FROM APPROX 350 DEGS AT 3 MI TO 270 DEGS OVER THE END OF THE W END OF THE E/W RWY AT 2000 FT. I HAD CALLED AHEAD TO NORFOLK APCH CTL (ON THE TELEPHONE BEFORE DEP) TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WE WOULD BE WORKING IN LANGLEY AIRSPACE. OVER HARCOM VOR I CONTACTED ORF APCH CTL AND THEY TURNED ME OVER TO LANGLEY. I REQUESTED TO FLY THE ABOVE LINE AT 2000 FT AND RECEIVED PERMISSION TO DO SO. THERE WERE SHADOWS ON THE GND BECAUSE OF HIGH CLOUDS AND I REQUESTED TO HOLD OVER THE JOB SITE AT 2000 FT WHILE THE CLOUDS MOVED OFF. WE CONTINUED TO HOLD BECAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THE JOB DONE. AT SOME POINT IN TIME WHILE HOLDING, 2 JETS CAME AT US FROM W TO E AT 2000 FT. I PULLED UP TO 2300 FT AND THE JETS MISSED US. I SAW THEM ONLY MOMENTS BEFORE, JUST IN TIME TO PULL UP. THEY NEVER MOVED UNTIL I PULLED UP WHICH MAKES ME BELIEVE THAT THEY DID NOT SEE ME UNTIL I PULLED UP. MAYBE ABOUT 15-30 MINS WE LEFT BECAUSE THE CLOUD'S SHADOWS CONTINUED TO GO IN AND OUT. WE CAME BACK LATER IN THE DAY AND FINISHED THE JOB. I LEARNED TODAY FROM CAPT WHO WAS INVESTIGATING THE OCCURRENCE THAT THERE WERE 2 DOWNWIND ALTS FOR THE JETS, 1 AT 1500 FT, WHICH I KNOW IS STANDARD FOR THEM, AND 1 AT 2000 FT, WHICH IS NONSTANDARD. I LEARNED THAT I NEED TO DO BETTER PREFLT PLANNING AND CHKING PATTERNED ALTS SO THAT IF THE CTLR GIVES ME A REQUESTED ALT, THAT I WILL KNOW I'M OPERATING AT AN ALT WHERE OTHER AIRPLANES WILL BE OPERATING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.