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Attributes | |
ACN | 268641 |
Time | |
Date | 199404 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9800 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ord |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 9500 flight time type : 350 |
ASRS Report | 268641 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 219 flight time total : 4720 flight time type : 2354 |
ASRS Report | 268923 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : far other anomaly other other spatial deviation other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | aircraft : equipment problem dissipated flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We departed ord and were climbing out of 8500 ft for 13000 ft. ATC issued a TA for 12 O'clock and 8 mi. The traffic reported was previously complained about by other aircraft saying it was not identified, communicated with, and in airspace where it should not have been. We responded negative contact. No TCASII target was shown. We were given a turn to 090 degrees and were in the middle of a climbing turn, in moderate turbulence, and scattered clouds at 10000 ft. We received a second advisory and I told mo first officer that I did not see it. Still no target on TCASII. We received a third advisory from ATC reporting the traffic at 1 O'clock and 3 mi (ATC was uncertain as they reported that it was not being tracked or communicated with). Also we had a cloud obstructing our vision and still could not see the traffic and we responded negative contact. Suddenly TCASII showed a target at 12 O'clock, 2 mi, and 200 ft below our altitude with a TA. It suddenly then changed to an RA and issued a descent advisory. I started to descend as instructed by the TCASII when we suddenly got a visual contact with the intruder. I also realized that descending would put us closer to the collision hazard and not away from it as we were 100 ft vertical and a mi or less horizontal separation and I immediately started a climb and a right turn away from the intruder (it was 100 ft below our present altitude). As I started the climbing turn, TCASII suddenly gave a climb RA. The intruder did not appear to see or avoid. I estimated the intruder at or below 10000 ft. After clearing conflict we continued on to ewr. Intruder heading estimated to be 300 to 330 degrees and just below clouds (clouds had 10000 ft bases). No injuries occurred. TCASII gave no target indications or alerts until intruder was within 2 mi horizontal and 200 ft below our aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: EVASIVE ACTION DSCNT COMMANDED BY TCASII RA WAS THE WRONG COMMAND ON UNKNOWN VFR TFC NORAC TFC IN AREA.
Narrative: WE DEPARTED ORD AND WERE CLBING OUT OF 8500 FT FOR 13000 FT. ATC ISSUED A TA FOR 12 O'CLOCK AND 8 MI. THE TFC RPTED WAS PREVIOUSLY COMPLAINED ABOUT BY OTHER ACFT SAYING IT WAS NOT IDENTIFIED, COMMUNICATED WITH, AND IN AIRSPACE WHERE IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN. WE RESPONDED NEGATIVE CONTACT. NO TCASII TARGET WAS SHOWN. WE WERE GIVEN A TURN TO 090 DEGS AND WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF A CLBING TURN, IN MODERATE TURB, AND SCATTERED CLOUDS AT 10000 FT. WE RECEIVED A SECOND ADVISORY AND I TOLD MO FO THAT I DID NOT SEE IT. STILL NO TARGET ON TCASII. WE RECEIVED A THIRD ADVISORY FROM ATC RPTING THE TFC AT 1 O'CLOCK AND 3 MI (ATC WAS UNCERTAIN AS THEY RPTED THAT IT WAS NOT BEING TRACKED OR COMMUNICATED WITH). ALSO WE HAD A CLOUD OBSTRUCTING OUR VISION AND STILL COULD NOT SEE THE TFC AND WE RESPONDED NEGATIVE CONTACT. SUDDENLY TCASII SHOWED A TARGET AT 12 O'CLOCK, 2 MI, AND 200 FT BELOW OUR ALT WITH A TA. IT SUDDENLY THEN CHANGED TO AN RA AND ISSUED A DSCNT ADVISORY. I STARTED TO DSND AS INSTRUCTED BY THE TCASII WHEN WE SUDDENLY GOT A VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE INTRUDER. I ALSO REALIZED THAT DSNDING WOULD PUT US CLOSER TO THE COLLISION HAZARD AND NOT AWAY FROM IT AS WE WERE 100 FT VERT AND A MI OR LESS HORIZ SEPARATION AND I IMMEDIATELY STARTED A CLB AND A R TURN AWAY FROM THE INTRUDER (IT WAS 100 FT BELOW OUR PRESENT ALT). AS I STARTED THE CLBING TURN, TCASII SUDDENLY GAVE A CLB RA. THE INTRUDER DID NOT APPEAR TO SEE OR AVOID. I ESTIMATED THE INTRUDER AT OR BELOW 10000 FT. AFTER CLRING CONFLICT WE CONTINUED ON TO EWR. INTRUDER HDG ESTIMATED TO BE 300 TO 330 DEGS AND JUST BELOW CLOUDS (CLOUDS HAD 10000 FT BASES). NO INJURIES OCCURRED. TCASII GAVE NO TARGET INDICATIONS OR ALERTS UNTIL INTRUDER WAS WITHIN 2 MI HORIZ AND 200 FT BELOW OUR ACFT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.