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Attributes | |
ACN | 270455 |
Time | |
Date | 199405 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : msy |
State Reference | LA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 9000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute airway : msy |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 250 |
ASRS Report | 270455 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 1000 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were cleared for a descent maintaining visual separation from another aircraft. The sighted traffic seemed to be far enough away that it would not be a factor. While descending at about 1500 - 2000 FPM, the TCASII issued a climb (about 1200-1500 FPM) RA. The descent was slowed as we began to comply with the TCASII advisory, and indeed the sighted traffic did seem much closer -- and closing fast. However, it clearly was already above our altitude. We were just about in level flight when the TCASII changed its advisory to descend. That area being visually clear, we resumed the descent at about 1500-2000 FPM and the traffic passed us, in the opposite direction, off our right about 500 ft and 1000 ft above. The traffic's lights were always clearly visible but ground lights below and behind them may have added to the illusion that the aircraft was not moving toward us and thus was not a factor. However, since the traffic was moving directly in the opposite direction. The closure was very fast. That, coupled with the fast descent, may have momentarily outpaced the TCASII, which then issued the climb advisory. At that point, we should have been descending faster. Our starting to comply with the TCASII climb advisory actually kept us nearer the threat.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TCASII CHANGED ITS MIND IN MID SIT.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED FOR A DSCNT MAINTAINING VISUAL SEPARATION FROM ANOTHER ACFT. THE SIGHTED TFC SEEMED TO BE FAR ENOUGH AWAY THAT IT WOULD NOT BE A FACTOR. WHILE DSNDING AT ABOUT 1500 - 2000 FPM, THE TCASII ISSUED A CLB (ABOUT 1200-1500 FPM) RA. THE DSCNT WAS SLOWED AS WE BEGAN TO COMPLY WITH THE TCASII ADVISORY, AND INDEED THE SIGHTED TFC DID SEEM MUCH CLOSER -- AND CLOSING FAST. HOWEVER, IT CLRLY WAS ALREADY ABOVE OUR ALT. WE WERE JUST ABOUT IN LEVEL FLT WHEN THE TCASII CHANGED ITS ADVISORY TO DSND. THAT AREA BEING VISUALLY CLR, WE RESUMED THE DSCNT AT ABOUT 1500-2000 FPM AND THE TFC PASSED US, IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, OFF OUR R ABOUT 500 FT AND 1000 FT ABOVE. THE TFC'S LIGHTS WERE ALWAYS CLRLY VISIBLE BUT GND LIGHTS BELOW AND BEHIND THEM MAY HAVE ADDED TO THE ILLUSION THAT THE ACFT WAS NOT MOVING TOWARD US AND THUS WAS NOT A FACTOR. HOWEVER, SINCE THE TFC WAS MOVING DIRECTLY IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. THE CLOSURE WAS VERY FAST. THAT, COUPLED WITH THE FAST DSCNT, MAY HAVE MOMENTARILY OUTPACED THE TCASII, WHICH THEN ISSUED THE CLB ADVISORY. AT THAT POINT, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DSNDING FASTER. OUR STARTING TO COMPLY WITH THE TCASII CLB ADVISORY ACTUALLY KEPT US NEARER THE THREAT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.