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Attributes | |
ACN | 270823 |
Time | |
Date | 199405 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : msp |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : msp tracon : gso |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 1700 |
ASRS Report | 270823 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 vertical : 1000 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On routing climb out from msp, we received clearance to 17000 ft while heading 060 degrees. Passing 5000 ft we noted a TA TCASII at 10 O'clock and 4-5 mi indicating plus 2000 ft. With a climb rate of 4000 FPM, we received a clearance to level at 6000 ft while passing 5800 ft. While attempting to level off at 6000 ft, we climbed to 6600 ft due to our high rate of climb. While descending back to 6000 ft with the autoplt on , we received an RA to climb. The vsi had a red indication from plus 500 FPM hashmark all the way down into the entire descent range. We disconnected the autoplt and manually flew so as to honor the RA and climbed into the green band on the vsi. The aircraft in conflict was visually in sight throughout the RA and passed behind and below us. Our altitude when clear of conflict was approximately 8000 ft. The contributing factor to this situation was ATC giving us a level-off 200 ft before the altitude, with our rate of climb in excess of 4000 FPM. When faced with an ATC clearance that conflicts with an RA and visual separation judgements, we had no choice but to avoid the traffic conflict and continue our climb and get a further clearance later.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG REQUESTED TO LEVEL WITHIN 200 FT. UNABLE. ON DSCNT BACK TO ASSIGNED, RECEIVES TCASII RA TO CLB.
Narrative: ON RTING CLBOUT FROM MSP, WE RECEIVED CLRNC TO 17000 FT WHILE HDG 060 DEGS. PASSING 5000 FT WE NOTED A TA TCASII AT 10 O'CLOCK AND 4-5 MI INDICATING PLUS 2000 FT. WITH A CLB RATE OF 4000 FPM, WE RECEIVED A CLRNC TO LEVEL AT 6000 FT WHILE PASSING 5800 FT. WHILE ATTEMPTING TO LEVEL OFF AT 6000 FT, WE CLBED TO 6600 FT DUE TO OUR HIGH RATE OF CLB. WHILE DSNDING BACK TO 6000 FT WITH THE AUTOPLT ON , WE RECEIVED AN RA TO CLB. THE VSI HAD A RED INDICATION FROM PLUS 500 FPM HASHMARK ALL THE WAY DOWN INTO THE ENTIRE DSCNT RANGE. WE DISCONNECTED THE AUTOPLT AND MANUALLY FLEW SO AS TO HONOR THE RA AND CLBED INTO THE GREEN BAND ON THE VSI. THE ACFT IN CONFLICT WAS VISUALLY IN SIGHT THROUGHOUT THE RA AND PASSED BEHIND AND BELOW US. OUR ALT WHEN CLR OF CONFLICT WAS APPROX 8000 FT. THE CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO THIS SIT WAS ATC GIVING US A LEVEL-OFF 200 FT BEFORE THE ALT, WITH OUR RATE OF CLB IN EXCESS OF 4000 FPM. WHEN FACED WITH AN ATC CLRNC THAT CONFLICTS WITH AN RA AND VISUAL SEPARATION JUDGEMENTS, WE HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO AVOID THE TFC CONFLICT AND CONTINUE OUR CLB AND GET A FURTHER CLRNC LATER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.