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Attributes | |
ACN | 271668 |
Time | |
Date | 199405 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : djb |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 16000 msl bound upper : 17000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Learjet 23 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct enroute airway : zob |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Dassault-Breguet Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Experience | controller radar : 5 |
ASRS Report | 271668 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 2350 flight time type : 70 |
ASRS Report | 271982 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew faa : investigated |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 10800 vertical : 600 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Cpr Y DA05/right departed bkl en route to sfo via sky vwv fwa and was cleared to climb to FL160. Cpr X, a LR23/right, en route to yip via djb.junkr.JUNKR1 was cleared to descend to FL170. TA's were issued to both aircraft and X was told to expect lower when clear of Y, X reported having the falcon in sight. Shortly thereafter, X descended through his assigned altitude, causing the loss of separation with Y. Supplemental information from acn 271982: X cleared to continue our descent to 13000 ft on the altimeter setting of 30.13. I was the PF and the captain was the PNF. He acknowledged the descent to 13000 ft on the radio and set 13000 ft in the altitude alerter, which I confirmed. In the descent we were issued traffic at 3 O'clock, which we called in sight and leveled off at 13000 ft. It would seem that some confusion could have occurred between the altitude and altimeter setting. We both believed we were cleared to 13000 ft which could have been a transposition of the altimeter of 30.13.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CPR X DSCNT THROUGH OCCUPIED ALT HAD LTSS FROM CPR Y.
Narrative: CPR Y DA05/R DEPARTED BKL ENRTE TO SFO VIA SKY VWV FWA AND WAS CLRED TO CLB TO FL160. CPR X, A LR23/R, ENRTE TO YIP VIA DJB.JUNKR.JUNKR1 WAS CLRED TO DSND TO FL170. TA'S WERE ISSUED TO BOTH ACFT AND X WAS TOLD TO EXPECT LOWER WHEN CLR OF Y, X RPTED HAVING THE FALCON IN SIGHT. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, X DSNDED THROUGH HIS ASSIGNED ALT, CAUSING THE LOSS OF SEPARATION WITH Y. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 271982: X CLRED TO CONTINUE OUR DSCNT TO 13000 FT ON THE ALTIMETER SETTING OF 30.13. I WAS THE PF AND THE CAPT WAS THE PNF. HE ACKNOWLEDGED THE DSCNT TO 13000 FT ON THE RADIO AND SET 13000 FT IN THE ALT ALERTER, WHICH I CONFIRMED. IN THE DSCNT WE WERE ISSUED TFC AT 3 O'CLOCK, WHICH WE CALLED IN SIGHT AND LEVELED OFF AT 13000 FT. IT WOULD SEEM THAT SOME CONFUSION COULD HAVE OCCURRED BTWN THE ALT AND ALTIMETER SETTING. WE BOTH BELIEVED WE WERE CLRED TO 13000 FT WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN A TRANSPOSITION OF THE ALTIMETER OF 30.13.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.