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Attributes | |
ACN | 272013 |
Time | |
Date | 199405 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bos |
State Reference | MA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors enroute airway : bos |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 5800 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 272013 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While climbing after our departure we were being vectored toward our departure fix. Heading approximately 240 to 4000 ft. On that heading we requested and received clearance for a 20 degree turn to the right to avoid WX. The ATC reply was '20 degrees right approved, climb maintain 12000 ft.' the PNF replied right 20 degrees, maintain 12000 ft and set 12000 ft into the altitude alerter confirmed by myself. The altitude was an unusual one for our departure, but because of our deviation I thought it might have been necessary for conflicting arrival traffic. After clearing the WX, we advised ATC that we could resume any heading they required, they then assigned 240 degrees again. After a few moments, I decided to cancel IFR and proceed to my direct VFR. Upon cancelling IFR the controller asked if we were canceling because we were above our assigned altitude of 10000 ft. The PNF replied that we heard that we were assigned 12000 ft and replied the same. The controller then asked if we would be requesting advisories and gave us an appropriate handoff. At the time of the occurrence, the frequency was moderately congested. Our company has many wbound departures with altitudes of 12000 ft. The controller may have thought we were a previous flight to a different destination although we heard no other outbound company flts on frequency. The controller was performing a commendable job with many aircraft requesting deviations for WX in the terminal area. I feel now that due to my familiarity with the route and the departure, I should have questioned the unusual altitude, and not assumed that it was required for traffic avoidance due to our deviation. I heard 12000 ft and verified it with the PNF after he read back the clearance and dialed it into the altitude alerter. I feel perhaps that only increased vigilance on our part, with no hesitations for assumptions, is called for on our part when the ATC sector is saturated and the controller is doing his very best to accommodate many deviations and departures requested. Familiarity with the departure and route in addition to the confidence in the controllers probably led me not to question the altitude as non- standard due to the deviation and the WX conditions in the area.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALT BUST, ACCORDING TO ATC.
Narrative: WHILE CLBING AFTER OUR DEP WE WERE BEING VECTORED TOWARD OUR DEP FIX. HDG APPROX 240 TO 4000 FT. ON THAT HDG WE REQUESTED AND RECEIVED CLRNC FOR A 20 DEG TURN TO THE R TO AVOID WX. THE ATC REPLY WAS '20 DEGS R APPROVED, CLB MAINTAIN 12000 FT.' THE PNF REPLIED R 20 DEGS, MAINTAIN 12000 FT AND SET 12000 FT INTO THE ALT ALERTER CONFIRMED BY MYSELF. THE ALT WAS AN UNUSUAL ONE FOR OUR DEP, BUT BECAUSE OF OUR DEV I THOUGHT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN NECESSARY FOR CONFLICTING ARR TFC. AFTER CLRING THE WX, WE ADVISED ATC THAT WE COULD RESUME ANY HDG THEY REQUIRED, THEY THEN ASSIGNED 240 DEGS AGAIN. AFTER A FEW MOMENTS, I DECIDED TO CANCEL IFR AND PROCEED TO MY DIRECT VFR. UPON CANCELLING IFR THE CTLR ASKED IF WE WERE CANCELING BECAUSE WE WERE ABOVE OUR ASSIGNED ALT OF 10000 FT. THE PNF REPLIED THAT WE HEARD THAT WE WERE ASSIGNED 12000 FT AND REPLIED THE SAME. THE CTLR THEN ASKED IF WE WOULD BE REQUESTING ADVISORIES AND GAVE US AN APPROPRIATE HANDOFF. AT THE TIME OF THE OCCURRENCE, THE FREQ WAS MODERATELY CONGESTED. OUR COMPANY HAS MANY WBOUND DEPS WITH ALTS OF 12000 FT. THE CTLR MAY HAVE THOUGHT WE WERE A PREVIOUS FLT TO A DIFFERENT DEST ALTHOUGH WE HEARD NO OTHER OUTBOUND COMPANY FLTS ON FREQ. THE CTLR WAS PERFORMING A COMMENDABLE JOB WITH MANY ACFT REQUESTING DEVS FOR WX IN THE TERMINAL AREA. I FEEL NOW THAT DUE TO MY FAMILIARITY WITH THE RTE AND THE DEP, I SHOULD HAVE QUESTIONED THE UNUSUAL ALT, AND NOT ASSUMED THAT IT WAS REQUIRED FOR TFC AVOIDANCE DUE TO OUR DEV. I HEARD 12000 FT AND VERIFIED IT WITH THE PNF AFTER HE READ BACK THE CLRNC AND DIALED IT INTO THE ALT ALERTER. I FEEL PERHAPS THAT ONLY INCREASED VIGILANCE ON OUR PART, WITH NO HESITATIONS FOR ASSUMPTIONS, IS CALLED FOR ON OUR PART WHEN THE ATC SECTOR IS SATURATED AND THE CTLR IS DOING HIS VERY BEST TO ACCOMMODATE MANY DEVS AND DEPS REQUESTED. FAMILIARITY WITH THE DEP AND RTE IN ADDITION TO THE CONFIDENCE IN THE CTLRS PROBABLY LED ME NOT TO QUESTION THE ALT AS NON- STANDARD DUE TO THE DEV AND THE WX CONDITIONS IN THE AREA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.