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Attributes | |
ACN | 272358 |
Time | |
Date | 199405 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : hpn |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 tower : mco |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 272358 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 272356 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While being vectored, we had 3 RA's on TCASII, all within about 25 mi of the airport and within 15 mins of each other. The 1ST occurred at 3000 ft MSL and we had to climb to 4000 ft before 'clear-of-conflict.' the frequency we were on was 126.4. The other 2 incidents occurred closer in to the airport. At no time did the controller point out to us any of this traffic, nor did he make any attempt to vector us away from this traffic. The WX was clear and nice with lots of VFR traffic around and we were very busy watching all of it on TCASII. I think the controller was extremely busy too and overloaded. He didn't seem to be able to handle it all -- especially after we told him about our 1ST incident. This whole scenario was pretty unsettling for us -- we felt completely on our own, and that he was unable to control what was in his airspace. He probably was doing his best, but more controllers working that area would definitely help increase the safety level. Supplemental information from acn 272356: (it was like flying into a combat zone.) while the controller did attempt to point out some traffic, but made no move to vector around, we never called out having a visual in my traffic. I sincerely believe VFR traffic and IFR traffic need to be separated. More positive controled airspace is need for jet aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: POSSIBLE NMACS OR POTENTIAL CONFLICTS NEAR DEST ARPT. ALTDEV ALT EXCURSION.
Narrative: WHILE BEING VECTORED, WE HAD 3 RA'S ON TCASII, ALL WITHIN ABOUT 25 MI OF THE ARPT AND WITHIN 15 MINS OF EACH OTHER. THE 1ST OCCURRED AT 3000 FT MSL AND WE HAD TO CLB TO 4000 FT BEFORE 'CLR-OF-CONFLICT.' THE FREQ WE WERE ON WAS 126.4. THE OTHER 2 INCIDENTS OCCURRED CLOSER IN TO THE ARPT. AT NO TIME DID THE CTLR POINT OUT TO US ANY OF THIS TFC, NOR DID HE MAKE ANY ATTEMPT TO VECTOR US AWAY FROM THIS TFC. THE WX WAS CLR AND NICE WITH LOTS OF VFR TFC AROUND AND WE WERE VERY BUSY WATCHING ALL OF IT ON TCASII. I THINK THE CTLR WAS EXTREMELY BUSY TOO AND OVERLOADED. HE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT ALL -- ESPECIALLY AFTER WE TOLD HIM ABOUT OUR 1ST INCIDENT. THIS WHOLE SCENARIO WAS PRETTY UNSETTLING FOR US -- WE FELT COMPLETELY ON OUR OWN, AND THAT HE WAS UNABLE TO CTL WHAT WAS IN HIS AIRSPACE. HE PROBABLY WAS DOING HIS BEST, BUT MORE CTLRS WORKING THAT AREA WOULD DEFINITELY HELP INCREASE THE SAFETY LEVEL. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 272356: (IT WAS LIKE FLYING INTO A COMBAT ZONE.) WHILE THE CTLR DID ATTEMPT TO POINT OUT SOME TFC, BUT MADE NO MOVE TO VECTOR AROUND, WE NEVER CALLED OUT HAVING A VISUAL IN MY TFC. I SINCERELY BELIEVE VFR TFC AND IFR TFC NEED TO BE SEPARATED. MORE POSITIVE CTLED AIRSPACE IS NEED FOR JET ACFT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.