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Attributes | |
ACN | 272398 |
Time | |
Date | 199405 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : fwa |
State Reference | IN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 7300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : fwa |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Baron 58/58TC |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 272398 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 600 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were arriving fwa. We descended to 7000 ft proceeding direct to the airport. A be-58 was departing fwa, and assigned 6000 ft. The baron acquired us visually, and accepted a climb through our altitude. The range at this point was 2 1/2 mi according to TCASII, and he was in our 12 O'clock position. At approximately 500 ft below us TCASII issued a climb RA. Prior to this, the controller had issued a descent clearance to us based on the other aircraft having acquired us visually. I was not happy with that clearance, and did not accept it. We did follow the RA, and I saw the baron pass off our left side about 100 ft below and about 600 ft horizontally. I talked to the approach supervisor who said this was 'legal.' I have a feeling that legal and safe are 2 different worlds. I am not comfortable descending through converging traffic's altitude based on the other aircraft maintaining visual separation on us, and I don't have him in sight. A contributing factor to us not acquiring the other aircraft was the fact that we were on the end of a 2 day trip with scheduled reduced rest (8 hours of rest). Both the first officer and myself felt tired and not as sharp as we could have been. This practice has to stop before someone is found to be asleep at the wheel. If we hadn't been on top of this situation, it could have had been a very loud crunch.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: COMMUTER HAS TCASII RA, RESPONDS.
Narrative: WE WERE ARRIVING FWA. WE DSNDED TO 7000 FT PROCEEDING DIRECT TO THE ARPT. A BE-58 WAS DEPARTING FWA, AND ASSIGNED 6000 FT. THE BARON ACQUIRED US VISUALLY, AND ACCEPTED A CLB THROUGH OUR ALT. THE RANGE AT THIS POINT WAS 2 1/2 MI ACCORDING TO TCASII, AND HE WAS IN OUR 12 O'CLOCK POS. AT APPROX 500 FT BELOW US TCASII ISSUED A CLB RA. PRIOR TO THIS, THE CTLR HAD ISSUED A DSCNT CLRNC TO US BASED ON THE OTHER ACFT HAVING ACQUIRED US VISUALLY. I WAS NOT HAPPY WITH THAT CLRNC, AND DID NOT ACCEPT IT. WE DID FOLLOW THE RA, AND I SAW THE BARON PASS OFF OUR L SIDE ABOUT 100 FT BELOW AND ABOUT 600 FT HORIZLY. I TALKED TO THE APCH SUPVR WHO SAID THIS WAS 'LEGAL.' I HAVE A FEELING THAT LEGAL AND SAFE ARE 2 DIFFERENT WORLDS. I AM NOT COMFORTABLE DSNDING THROUGH CONVERGING TFC'S ALT BASED ON THE OTHER ACFT MAINTAINING VISUAL SEPARATION ON US, AND I DON'T HAVE HIM IN SIGHT. A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO US NOT ACQUIRING THE OTHER ACFT WAS THE FACT THAT WE WERE ON THE END OF A 2 DAY TRIP WITH SCHEDULED REDUCED REST (8 HRS OF REST). BOTH THE FO AND MYSELF FELT TIRED AND NOT AS SHARP AS WE COULD HAVE BEEN. THIS PRACTICE HAS TO STOP BEFORE SOMEONE IS FOUND TO BE ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL. IF WE HADN'T BEEN ON TOP OF THIS SIT, IT COULD HAVE HAD BEEN A VERY LOUD CRUNCH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.