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Attributes | |
ACN | 273825 |
Time | |
Date | 199406 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : hto |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 41000 msl bound upper : 41000 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Gates Learjet Corp Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 1700 flight time type : 65 |
ASRS Report | 273825 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was dispatched to fly a lifeguard trip from NY27 airport to poi west palm beach then return to groton, ct. This incident occurred northbound while talking to ZNY. First I am a new employee with the company, type rated as a captain part 135, riding as a first officer with the company chief pilot. The chief pilot takes care of all flight planning and filing of plan without any discussion with myself. Later I found that the captain is filing as 'slant right' when the aircraft is only equipped as 'a' no RNAV. Therefore we cannot accept any clearance direct via RNAV. I found this out only after we had accepted several clrncs and were unable to comply sometimes missing our waypoint by as much as 30 NM. Second: about 250 NM from our destination airport ZNY stated a clearance to descend to FL370. At this point the captain took the radio away and refused to descend based on the idea that we were a lear jet and should receive better handling from ATC. He did not descend. Some 50 mi later and about 15 mins of arguing with ATC he finally complied. My situation here is this: I mentioned to the captain about the aircraft not having an RNAV and told him that the flight plan was a violation. I also mentioned and asked him not to argue with ATC and please don't comply with their request unless there is an emergency. His reply to this is that he is the captain! I am the copilot, and not to concern myself with his job. To me this completely defeats the purpose of a 2 pilot crew. I am in a serious situation here being a new hire and flying with the chief pilot. As a young pilot I have run into this experience several times in my aviation career. I feel that more attention should be given to the training of the captain -- first officer as a team and not a student (copilot) instructor (captain) relationship.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMT RETURNING FROM LIFE GUARD FLT. FO NOTES DISCREPANCY IN FLT PLAN INDICATING RNAV ABOARD WHICH IS INCORRECT. CAPT REFUSES TO ACCEPT ATC CLRNC TO DSND.
Narrative: I WAS DISPATCHED TO FLY A LIFEGUARD TRIP FROM NY27 ARPT TO POI W PALM BEACH THEN RETURN TO GROTON, CT. THIS INCIDENT OCCURRED NBOUND WHILE TALKING TO ZNY. FIRST I AM A NEW EMPLOYEE WITH THE COMPANY, TYPE RATED AS A CAPT PART 135, RIDING AS A FO WITH THE COMPANY CHIEF PLT. THE CHIEF PLT TAKES CARE OF ALL FLT PLANNING AND FILING OF PLAN WITHOUT ANY DISCUSSION WITH MYSELF. LATER I FOUND THAT THE CAPT IS FILING AS 'SLANT R' WHEN THE ACFT IS ONLY EQUIPPED AS 'A' NO RNAV. THEREFORE WE CANNOT ACCEPT ANY CLRNC DIRECT VIA RNAV. I FOUND THIS OUT ONLY AFTER WE HAD ACCEPTED SEVERAL CLRNCS AND WERE UNABLE TO COMPLY SOMETIMES MISSING OUR WAYPOINT BY AS MUCH AS 30 NM. SECOND: ABOUT 250 NM FROM OUR DEST ARPT ZNY STATED A CLRNC TO DSND TO FL370. AT THIS POINT THE CAPT TOOK THE RADIO AWAY AND REFUSED TO DSND BASED ON THE IDEA THAT WE WERE A LEAR JET AND SHOULD RECEIVE BETTER HANDLING FROM ATC. HE DID NOT DSND. SOME 50 MI LATER AND ABOUT 15 MINS OF ARGUING WITH ATC HE FINALLY COMPLIED. MY SIT HERE IS THIS: I MENTIONED TO THE CAPT ABOUT THE ACFT NOT HAVING AN RNAV AND TOLD HIM THAT THE FLT PLAN WAS A VIOLATION. I ALSO MENTIONED AND ASKED HIM NOT TO ARGUE WITH ATC AND PLEASE DON'T COMPLY WITH THEIR REQUEST UNLESS THERE IS AN EMER. HIS REPLY TO THIS IS THAT HE IS THE CAPT! I AM THE COPLT, AND NOT TO CONCERN MYSELF WITH HIS JOB. TO ME THIS COMPLETELY DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF A 2 PLT CREW. I AM IN A SERIOUS SIT HERE BEING A NEW HIRE AND FLYING WITH THE CHIEF PLT. AS A YOUNG PLT I HAVE RUN INTO THIS EXPERIENCE SEVERAL TIMES IN MY AVIATION CAREER. I FEEL THAT MORE ATTN SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THE TRAINING OF THE CAPT -- FO AS A TEAM AND NOT A STUDENT (COPLT) INSTRUCTOR (CAPT) RELATIONSHIP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.