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Attributes | |
ACN | 273991 |
Time | |
Date | 199406 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : pgy airport : san |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : san tracon : mdt |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 10500 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 273991 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 15000 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Our flight was RNAV direct pgy in anticipation of vectors to ILS 9 at san. At 6000 ft, approximately 23 NM from the VORTAC, approach advised us of opposite direction VFR traffic level at 5500 ft. First officer sighted traffic immediately, followed very shortly by captain. Crew anticipated a TCASII advisory because of 500 ft vertical separation. It was obvious visually that the traffic would pass below and well clear off the left side. There were no other aircraft on TCASII, called by approach or visually seen. As the traffic passed just forward of directly abeam, TCASII issued an RA 'climb, climb.' captain (PF) said 'disregard' and maintained level flight. RA was almost immediately followed by 'clear of conflict' from TCASII as aircraft passed abeam and the target left our TCASII screens. At no time was there any hazard to flight. The problem is this: 1) TCASII RA was issued too late to do any good even if crew did not see the traffic. 2) confusion exists on the line regarding proper response to TCASII when intruder is in positive visual contact. Our manuals are vague, though we are told to react to all RA's. An informal and thoroughly unscientific poll was taken of several company pilots regarding this type of encounter (RA in a TCA with positive visual contact). 50 percent of the pilots said they would react, the rest would 'disregard.' virtually 100 percent indicated that at one time or another they had disregarded an RA in similar circumstances. This appears to be more an issue of legalities through safety in this instance, since, prior to TCASII installation, this would have been a completely routine and unmemorable encounter. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter is a captain for a small major carrier flying the airbus A-320. There was an FAA inspector sitting on the jumpseat watching this incident. The intruding aircraft was a light GA aircraft, 'possibly a cherokee' who was flying legally VFR on top. As the flight crew visually sighted the aircraft before an RA was issued, the reporter does not believe that he was required to follow the RA. He had already solved the problem. The A-320 TCASII is displayed on the pfd but only after being filtered by a computer in the aircraft. Not all traffic is displayed on the pfd, only that which the computer finds worthy. The reporter's air carrier allows their air crews to turn off the TCASII when in an approach situation, but the reporter agrees that this would have been a little far out to do that.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN A-320 CAPT WONDERS ABOUT THE OP AND LOGIC OF THE TCASII.
Narrative: OUR FLT WAS RNAV DIRECT PGY IN ANTICIPATION OF VECTORS TO ILS 9 AT SAN. AT 6000 FT, APPROX 23 NM FROM THE VORTAC, APCH ADVISED US OF OPPOSITE DIRECTION VFR TFC LEVEL AT 5500 FT. FO SIGHTED TFC IMMEDIATELY, FOLLOWED VERY SHORTLY BY CAPT. CREW ANTICIPATED A TCASII ADVISORY BECAUSE OF 500 FT VERT SEPARATION. IT WAS OBVIOUS VISUALLY THAT THE TFC WOULD PASS BELOW AND WELL CLR OFF THE L SIDE. THERE WERE NO OTHER ACFT ON TCASII, CALLED BY APCH OR VISUALLY SEEN. AS THE TFC PASSED JUST FORWARD OF DIRECTLY ABEAM, TCASII ISSUED AN RA 'CLB, CLB.' CAPT (PF) SAID 'DISREGARD' AND MAINTAINED LEVEL FLT. RA WAS ALMOST IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWED BY 'CLR OF CONFLICT' FROM TCASII AS ACFT PASSED ABEAM AND THE TARGET LEFT OUR TCASII SCREENS. AT NO TIME WAS THERE ANY HAZARD TO FLT. THE PROB IS THIS: 1) TCASII RA WAS ISSUED TOO LATE TO DO ANY GOOD EVEN IF CREW DID NOT SEE THE TFC. 2) CONFUSION EXISTS ON THE LINE REGARDING PROPER RESPONSE TO TCASII WHEN INTRUDER IS IN POSITIVE VISUAL CONTACT. OUR MANUALS ARE VAGUE, THOUGH WE ARE TOLD TO REACT TO ALL RA'S. AN INFORMAL AND THOROUGHLY UNSCIENTIFIC POLL WAS TAKEN OF SEVERAL COMPANY PLTS REGARDING THIS TYPE OF ENCOUNTER (RA IN A TCA WITH POSITIVE VISUAL CONTACT). 50 PERCENT OF THE PLTS SAID THEY WOULD REACT, THE REST WOULD 'DISREGARD.' VIRTUALLY 100 PERCENT INDICATED THAT AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER THEY HAD DISREGARDED AN RA IN SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES. THIS APPEARS TO BE MORE AN ISSUE OF LEGALITIES THROUGH SAFETY IN THIS INSTANCE, SINCE, PRIOR TO TCASII INSTALLATION, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A COMPLETELY ROUTINE AND UNMEMORABLE ENCOUNTER. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR IS A CAPT FOR A SMALL MAJOR CARRIER FLYING THE AIRBUS A-320. THERE WAS AN FAA INSPECTOR SITTING ON THE JUMPSEAT WATCHING THIS INCIDENT. THE INTRUDING ACFT WAS A LIGHT GA ACFT, 'POSSIBLY A CHEROKEE' WHO WAS FLYING LEGALLY VFR ON TOP. AS THE FLC VISUALLY SIGHTED THE ACFT BEFORE AN RA WAS ISSUED, THE RPTR DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT HE WAS REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE RA. HE HAD ALREADY SOLVED THE PROB. THE A-320 TCASII IS DISPLAYED ON THE PFD BUT ONLY AFTER BEING FILTERED BY A COMPUTER IN THE ACFT. NOT ALL TFC IS DISPLAYED ON THE PFD, ONLY THAT WHICH THE COMPUTER FINDS WORTHY. THE RPTR'S ACR ALLOWS THEIR AIR CREWS TO TURN OFF THE TCASII WHEN IN AN APCH SIT, BUT THE RPTR AGREES THAT THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE FAR OUT TO DO THAT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.