Flight crew received rerte clearance after taxi out from gate. 10-15 min delay took place prior to t...

Attributes
ACN	274369
Time
Date	199406
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : alb
State Reference	NY
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : jfk
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Commercial Fixed Wing
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	ground : preflight ground other : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10500 flight time type : 2300
ASRS Report	274369
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

Due to numerous thunderstorms between alb and ord and at ord, departures had been ground stopped to ord for 2 plus hours. When we got a release to ord, we loaded passenger, pushed off gate and taxied out to runway. We then received a lengthy rerte well south of original route adding 1 hour plus to time en route. Takeoff was delayed until we checked route, estimated fuel burn. This was about 10-15 extra mins because 2 of the fixes given to us were incorrect identifiers, i.e., charleston, wv. 'Hvq' was given as 'chs,' indianapolis, ind was given as 'ind' instead of 'vhp.' local ground had to talk to center to clarify. Rertes at the end of the runway are not always uncommon. However, in this case the rerte should have been given with the release of the flight from the ground stop while we were at the gate. I'm sure the system knew the rerte required as the aircraft was released from the ground stop. By providing this information at the gate we could check with our dispatcher for additional fuel burn, the need to add fuel, passenger connections, operational needs, and most importantly whether the flight crew was able to safely complete the new flight because of factors such as an already long duty day and amount off flight time already flown during the day. This was the case with us on this day. Had I known at the gate of the delays and rerouting adding a couple more hours onto our day I might have canceled the flight or elected to continue safely. This timely dissemination of information allows for a better, safer, and efficient operation.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FLC RECEIVED RERTE CLRNC AFTER TAXI OUT FROM GATE. 10-15 MIN DELAY TOOK PLACE PRIOR TO TKOF WHILE FLC VERIFIED NEW ROUTING AND FUEL CAPABILITY.

Narrative: DUE TO NUMEROUS TSTMS BTWN ALB AND ORD AND AT ORD, DEPS HAD BEEN GND STOPPED TO ORD FOR 2 PLUS HRS. WHEN WE GOT A RELEASE TO ORD, WE LOADED PAX, PUSHED OFF GATE AND TAXIED OUT TO RWY. WE THEN RECEIVED A LENGTHY RERTE WELL S OF ORIGINAL RTE ADDING 1 HR PLUS TO TIME ENRTE. TKOF WAS DELAYED UNTIL WE CHKED RTE, ESTIMATED FUEL BURN. THIS WAS ABOUT 10-15 EXTRA MINS BECAUSE 2 OF THE FIXES GIVEN TO US WERE INCORRECT IDENTIFIERS, I.E., CHARLESTON, WV. 'HVQ' WAS GIVEN AS 'CHS,' INDIANAPOLIS, IND WAS GIVEN AS 'IND' INSTEAD OF 'VHP.' LCL GND HAD TO TALK TO CTR TO CLARIFY. RERTES AT THE END OF THE RWY ARE NOT ALWAYS UNCOMMON. HOWEVER, IN THIS CASE THE RERTE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN WITH THE RELEASE OF THE FLT FROM THE GND STOP WHILE WE WERE AT THE GATE. I'M SURE THE SYS KNEW THE RERTE REQUIRED AS THE ACFT WAS RELEASED FROM THE GND STOP. BY PROVIDING THIS INFO AT THE GATE WE COULD CHK WITH OUR DISPATCHER FOR ADDITIONAL FUEL BURN, THE NEED TO ADD FUEL, PAX CONNECTIONS, OPERATIONAL NEEDS, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY WHETHER THE FLC WAS ABLE TO SAFELY COMPLETE THE NEW FLT BECAUSE OF FACTORS SUCH AS AN ALREADY LONG DUTY DAY AND AMOUNT OFF FLT TIME ALREADY FLOWN DURING THE DAY. THIS WAS THE CASE WITH US ON THIS DAY. HAD I KNOWN AT THE GATE OF THE DELAYS AND REROUTING ADDING A COUPLE MORE HRS ONTO OUR DAY I MIGHT HAVE CANCELED THE FLT OR ELECTED TO CONTINUE SAFELY. THIS TIMELY DISSEMINATION OF INFO ALLOWS FOR A BETTER, SAFER, AND EFFICIENT OP.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Flight crew received rerte clearance after taxi out from gate. 10-15 min delay took place prior to takeoff while flight crew verified new routing and fuel capability.