Cargo aircraft taxies beyond hold line.

Attributes
ACN	274529
Time
Date	199406
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : hnl
State Reference	HI
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B747 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	ground other : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time total : 7000
ASRS Report	274529
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : second officer
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 81 flight time type : 1500
ASRS Report	274659
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

We were given the following clearance from ground 'cleared to runway 8R, hold short of the extended centerline of runway 4R.' while turning onto taxiway RA, ground told us to 'monitor the tower,' which we did. At this point I/crew assumed we were cleared to runway 8R. The next thing we heard on the tower frequency. Was 'weren't you told to hold short of the extended centerline of runway 4R?' I told the tower we assumed we were cleared to runway 8R when we were told to monitor the tower by ground control. The taxi from our ramp to runway 8R is about 3 mi, on a remote part of the airport. The taxiway RA was no crossing txwys or runways. Because of this, one has very few cues on this very long and isolated taxiway, to alert oneself of only a painted hold line across the taxiway. To preclude this from happening again, instead of being told to just monitor the tower. Ground control should have told us to contact the tower and hold short on taxiway RA. Supplemental information from acn 274659: I also believe reef taxiway at hold short line for runway 4R ILS is out of view of controller. Need more explicit instructions at handoff point to tower. After that hold point still quite some distance to taxi. Only marking of hold point is yellow lines on taxiway -- need sign.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CARGO ACFT TAXIES BEYOND HOLD LINE.

Narrative: WE WERE GIVEN THE FOLLOWING CLRNC FROM GND 'CLRED TO RWY 8R, HOLD SHORT OF THE EXTENDED CTRLINE OF RWY 4R.' WHILE TURNING ONTO TXWY RA, GND TOLD US TO 'MONITOR THE TWR,' WHICH WE DID. AT THIS POINT I/CREW ASSUMED WE WERE CLRED TO RWY 8R. THE NEXT THING WE HEARD ON THE TWR FREQ. WAS 'WEREN'T YOU TOLD TO HOLD SHORT OF THE EXTENDED CTRLINE OF RWY 4R?' I TOLD THE TWR WE ASSUMED WE WERE CLRED TO RWY 8R WHEN WE WERE TOLD TO MONITOR THE TWR BY GND CTL. THE TAXI FROM OUR RAMP TO RWY 8R IS ABOUT 3 MI, ON A REMOTE PART OF THE ARPT. THE TXWY RA WAS NO XING TXWYS OR RWYS. BECAUSE OF THIS, ONE HAS VERY FEW CUES ON THIS VERY LONG AND ISOLATED TXWY, TO ALERT ONESELF OF ONLY A PAINTED HOLD LINE ACROSS THE TXWY. TO PRECLUDE THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN, INSTEAD OF BEING TOLD TO JUST MONITOR THE TWR. GND CTL SHOULD HAVE TOLD US TO CONTACT THE TWR AND HOLD SHORT ON TXWY RA. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 274659: I ALSO BELIEVE REEF TXWY AT HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 4R ILS IS OUT OF VIEW OF CTLR. NEED MORE EXPLICIT INSTRUCTIONS AT HDOF POINT TO TWR. AFTER THAT HOLD POINT STILL QUITE SOME DISTANCE TO TAXI. ONLY MARKING OF HOLD POINT IS YELLOW LINES ON TXWY -- NEED SIGN.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.