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Attributes | |
ACN | 276123 |
Time | |
Date | 199407 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bdr |
State Reference | CT |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 4400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : n90 |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 2700 |
ASRS Report | 276123 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | vertical : 400 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Flying in cruise at 4000 ft MSL under new york approach control. I saw an aircraft on TCASII and got a TA. New york approach did not report the traffic and was too busy to get a word in to ask for a change in altitude or heading. I watched for the RA which was imminent and climbed from 4000 ft to 4400 ft before the 'clear of conflict' notice from TCASII. New york advised of the traffic as I was climbing. I reported the TCASII RA and descended back to 4000 ft MSL. No further problem. Ctrs or approach controls seem to report conflicting traffic when they're right on top of you and it's too late. There is a delay somewhere between identify to notification. Conflicting traffic should be reported sooner! When they call traffic a mi away it's usually a few hundred ft. Maybe 3 mi would suffice?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: COMMUTER ACFT HAS TCASII RA, RESPONDS.
Narrative: FLYING IN CRUISE AT 4000 FT MSL UNDER NEW YORK APCH CTL. I SAW AN ACFT ON TCASII AND GOT A TA. NEW YORK APCH DID NOT RPT THE TFC AND WAS TOO BUSY TO GET A WORD IN TO ASK FOR A CHANGE IN ALT OR HDG. I WATCHED FOR THE RA WHICH WAS IMMINENT AND CLBED FROM 4000 FT TO 4400 FT BEFORE THE 'CLR OF CONFLICT' NOTICE FROM TCASII. NEW YORK ADVISED OF THE TFC AS I WAS CLBING. I RPTED THE TCASII RA AND DSNDED BACK TO 4000 FT MSL. NO FURTHER PROB. CTRS OR APCH CTLS SEEM TO RPT CONFLICTING TFC WHEN THEY'RE RIGHT ON TOP OF YOU AND IT'S TOO LATE. THERE IS A DELAY SOMEWHERE BTWN IDENT TO NOTIFICATION. CONFLICTING TFC SHOULD BE RPTED SOONER! WHEN THEY CALL TFC A MI AWAY IT'S USUALLY A FEW HUNDRED FT. MAYBE 3 MI WOULD SUFFICE?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.