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Attributes | |
ACN | 276427 |
Time | |
Date | 199407 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dtw |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dtw tower : ilg |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-100 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Route In Use | approach : straight in |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : straight in |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 170 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 276427 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : exited adverse environment other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Air carrier B737-100 arrival at dtw. Sunny afternoon, 6 mi visibility in haze. Simultaneous ILS approachs to runway 21L and 21R. Vectored for extended downwind due to other arrival traffic. Turned final runway 21L about 20 mi out. Requested by approach to slow from 210 KTS to 190 KTS. 2 parallel aircraft showed up on TCASII 3 1/2 mi ahead on final. Approach requested us to slow to 170 KTS. First officer flying, slowed. Approach cleared us for ILS, asked us to maintain 150 KTS to OM and turned us over to tower. Other aircraft on frequency ahead of us had been given similar speeds and clrncs. Operation appeared normal, tight spacing for arrival traffic. Haze prevented seeing other aircraft. TCASII gave us a heads up on how tight they were spacing us. 'We were in the hands of the controller.' we were spaced 3 1/2 mi behind traffic on final for about 10 mi. We started down ILS runway 21L GS, put the flaps to 15 degrees with final slow down and pulled throttles to idle. Encountered heavy wake turbulence uncontrollable roll, 30 degree bank left, accompanied with brief stall shaker warning, stayed in wake turbulence. We asked tower 'what kind of aircraft in front of us' tower's answer, 'B757.' we said 'thanks for the warning, we just got twisted in his wake.' he turned us out on a go around. We said we'd give him a call on the telephone. I talked to the ATC approach area supervisor and told him what happened and that if we had been just 'informed' we were behind a B757 we could have configured earlier, kept our engines spooled up and flown high on the GS and stayed out of his wake. Fix: ATC suggestion have all B757 computer coded on the radar scope with an 'H' just like the heavy's so controllers will automatically provide separation. He said 4 mi is required behind B757's. Make it mandatory for controllers to inform aircraft following B757's. Pilots should always ask what kind of aircraft they are following when they are not told and the spacing is tight.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: IN TRAIL SEPARATION CRITERION NOT MET BEHIND A B-757. TEMPORARY LOSS OF ACFT CTL.
Narrative: ACR B737-100 ARR AT DTW. SUNNY AFTERNOON, 6 MI VISIBILITY IN HAZE. SIMULTANEOUS ILS APCHS TO RWY 21L AND 21R. VECTORED FOR EXTENDED DOWNWIND DUE TO OTHER ARR TFC. TURNED FINAL RWY 21L ABOUT 20 MI OUT. REQUESTED BY APCH TO SLOW FROM 210 KTS TO 190 KTS. 2 PARALLEL ACFT SHOWED UP ON TCASII 3 1/2 MI AHEAD ON FINAL. APCH REQUESTED US TO SLOW TO 170 KTS. FO FLYING, SLOWED. APCH CLRED US FOR ILS, ASKED US TO MAINTAIN 150 KTS TO OM AND TURNED US OVER TO TWR. OTHER ACFT ON FREQ AHEAD OF US HAD BEEN GIVEN SIMILAR SPDS AND CLRNCS. OP APPEARED NORMAL, TIGHT SPACING FOR ARR TFC. HAZE PREVENTED SEEING OTHER ACFT. TCASII GAVE US A HEADS UP ON HOW TIGHT THEY WERE SPACING US. 'WE WERE IN THE HANDS OF THE CTLR.' WE WERE SPACED 3 1/2 MI BEHIND TFC ON FINAL FOR ABOUT 10 MI. WE STARTED DOWN ILS RWY 21L GS, PUT THE FLAPS TO 15 DEGS WITH FINAL SLOW DOWN AND PULLED THROTTLES TO IDLE. ENCOUNTERED HVY WAKE TURB UNCTLABLE ROLL, 30 DEG BANK L, ACCOMPANIED WITH BRIEF STALL SHAKER WARNING, STAYED IN WAKE TURB. WE ASKED TWR 'WHAT KIND OF ACFT IN FRONT OF US' TWR'S ANSWER, 'B757.' WE SAID 'THANKS FOR THE WARNING, WE JUST GOT TWISTED IN HIS WAKE.' HE TURNED US OUT ON A GAR. WE SAID WE'D GIVE HIM A CALL ON THE TELEPHONE. I TALKED TO THE ATC APCH AREA SUPVR AND TOLD HIM WHAT HAPPENED AND THAT IF WE HAD BEEN JUST 'INFORMED' WE WERE BEHIND A B757 WE COULD HAVE CONFIGURED EARLIER, KEPT OUR ENGS SPOOLED UP AND FLOWN HIGH ON THE GS AND STAYED OUT OF HIS WAKE. FIX: ATC SUGGESTION HAVE ALL B757 COMPUTER CODED ON THE RADAR SCOPE WITH AN 'H' JUST LIKE THE HVY'S SO CTLRS WILL AUTOMATICALLY PROVIDE SEPARATION. HE SAID 4 MI IS REQUIRED BEHIND B757'S. MAKE IT MANDATORY FOR CTLRS TO INFORM ACFT FOLLOWING B757'S. PLTS SHOULD ALWAYS ASK WHAT KIND OF ACFT THEY ARE FOLLOWING WHEN THEY ARE NOT TOLD AND THE SPACING IS TIGHT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.