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Attributes | |
ACN | 278242 |
Time | |
Date | 199407 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : oak |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 27000 msl bound upper : 27000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zoa |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-11 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 278242 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
This, to me, is a classic cockpit resource management problem. After departing oak and climbing to our cruise flight level, we received an engine #1 fire warning for approximately 2 seconds. I was flying the airplane (on autoplt) and reached for the #1 throttle. As I retarded the throttle to idle, the fire warning light went out. The captain assumed control of the airplane and asked me to 'work' the situation. I began the checklist procedure and got down to the step which states 'land at the nearest suitable airport.' the captain then stated that everything looked okay to him and that we would continue to our destination. I told him that I felt we needed to return to oak. He then asked a jumpseater (a senior company pilot) if he was comfortable with our decision to continue to our destination. The jumpseater said that he was comfortable with the captain's decision. The captain's opinion was that we didn't get all of the indications of a fire. The warning was so brief, we didn't notice an illuminated fire handle or an illuminated start lever handle, and no one heard the fire warning bell. We only saw a red master warning light and received a level 3 engine #1 fire. The FMS also went into the engine out mode. The discussion continued in the cockpit for awhile, but the captain felt that everything was okay. He felt that the warning was a fault. I told the captain that I felt that we didn't need all the indications -- a 'little warning' is as bad as a 'full blown warning.' I also resented the asking of the jumpseater if he was comfortable -- I wasn't comfortable. We did continue to our destination (3 hours) and landed without further incident. We entered the discrepancy in the maintenance log.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ENG FIRE WARNING, FO RETARDS THROTTLE. WARNING LIGHT GOES OUT CHKLIST ACCOMPLISHED EXCEPT CAPT ELECTS TO NOT LAND AT THE NEAREST SUITABLE ARPT. FO THINKS THE CAPT SHOULD LAND AS PER CHKLIST.
Narrative: THIS, TO ME, IS A CLASSIC COCKPIT RESOURCE MGMNT PROB. AFTER DEPARTING OAK AND CLBING TO OUR CRUISE FLT LEVEL, WE RECEIVED AN ENG #1 FIRE WARNING FOR APPROX 2 SECONDS. I WAS FLYING THE AIRPLANE (ON AUTOPLT) AND REACHED FOR THE #1 THROTTLE. AS I RETARDED THE THROTTLE TO IDLE, THE FIRE WARNING LIGHT WENT OUT. THE CAPT ASSUMED CTL OF THE AIRPLANE AND ASKED ME TO 'WORK' THE SIT. I BEGAN THE CHKLIST PROC AND GOT DOWN TO THE STEP WHICH STATES 'LAND AT THE NEAREST SUITABLE ARPT.' THE CAPT THEN STATED THAT EVERYTHING LOOKED OKAY TO HIM AND THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO OUR DEST. I TOLD HIM THAT I FELT WE NEEDED TO RETURN TO OAK. HE THEN ASKED A JUMPSEATER (A SENIOR COMPANY PLT) IF HE WAS COMFORTABLE WITH OUR DECISION TO CONTINUE TO OUR DEST. THE JUMPSEATER SAID THAT HE WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THE CAPT'S DECISION. THE CAPT'S OPINION WAS THAT WE DIDN'T GET ALL OF THE INDICATIONS OF A FIRE. THE WARNING WAS SO BRIEF, WE DIDN'T NOTICE AN ILLUMINATED FIRE HANDLE OR AN ILLUMINATED START LEVER HANDLE, AND NO ONE HEARD THE FIRE WARNING BELL. WE ONLY SAW A RED MASTER WARNING LIGHT AND RECEIVED A LEVEL 3 ENG #1 FIRE. THE FMS ALSO WENT INTO THE ENG OUT MODE. THE DISCUSSION CONTINUED IN THE COCKPIT FOR AWHILE, BUT THE CAPT FELT THAT EVERYTHING WAS OKAY. HE FELT THAT THE WARNING WAS A FAULT. I TOLD THE CAPT THAT I FELT THAT WE DIDN'T NEED ALL THE INDICATIONS -- A 'LITTLE WARNING' IS AS BAD AS A 'FULL BLOWN WARNING.' I ALSO RESENTED THE ASKING OF THE JUMPSEATER IF HE WAS COMFORTABLE -- I WASN'T COMFORTABLE. WE DID CONTINUE TO OUR DEST (3 HRS) AND LANDED WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. WE ENTERED THE DISCREPANCY IN THE MAINT LOG.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.