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Attributes | |
ACN | 278375 |
Time | |
Date | 199407 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : 48tx |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11500 msl bound upper : 11500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sav |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zfw |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 1500 flight time type : 90 |
ASRS Report | 278375 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2000 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was in a C-182 flying skydivers. I called ZFW and notified them that the jumpers would be exiting the aircraft in 1 min (I had been in radar contact with ZFW for 10 mins with an assigned squawk code). I opened the door for the skydivers to direct the aircraft as precisely over the drop zone. At that time, I heard my ground person calling me on another radio. I responded, and he told me that I had a large jet converging off my right wing. At first glance I did not see anything, then I lifted my wing up and saw a large jet carrier less than a mi away on a collision course with me. I was heading about 250 degrees and he was sbound. I immediately began a steep turn 180 degrees around. At that time I heard ATC giving the jet carrier a warning of my position and then warning me of the jet's position. I responded by telling him I had already started a turn to avoid the traffic. The jet had begun a climb to avoid collision. After the jet had passed, I turned back to a 270 degree course to let the skydivers out when I spotted another jet carrier 2-3 mi away at my 4-5 O'clock position. As I spotted it, it began a sharp turn to the south to avoid me, after which the controller warned the second jet carrier of my position. The pilot replied that he had already turned to avoid. The drop zone that I fly out of is 10 NM north of the buj VOR, northeast of dfw, but well outside of the class B airspace. The buj VOR is part of an arrival into dfw. Our airport is several mi from these arrival rtes into dfw, however I heard the controller clear 1 air carrier to cross 10 mi north of the blue ridge VOR, and I guess that the 2 other carriers mentioned above were cleared to do the same. Usually ATC keeps the jet carriers well clear of our drop zone, but this controller was sending them right over it while skydiving activity was going on. Contributing factors: 1) I was unfamiliar with this controller's voice -- maybe he was new or just new to this sector. 2) the controller was gone when I came back up for the next flight 1/2 hour later --it could have been the end of his shift. 3) my view was obstructed by the high wing. Corrective actions: 1) I will look for traffic religiously! 2) three are many other cross-over points available other than our drop zone or just avoid the drop zone when skydiving activity is going on. 30 the controller seemed to be a few steps behind the action, I don't know how to correct that, but ask a professional controller...he'll know...sleep?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LESS THAN DESIRED SEPARATION BTWN A VFR PARACHUTE JUMPING ACFT AND AN IFR ACR.
Narrative: I WAS IN A C-182 FLYING SKYDIVERS. I CALLED ZFW AND NOTIFIED THEM THAT THE JUMPERS WOULD BE EXITING THE ACFT IN 1 MIN (I HAD BEEN IN RADAR CONTACT WITH ZFW FOR 10 MINS WITH AN ASSIGNED SQUAWK CODE). I OPENED THE DOOR FOR THE SKYDIVERS TO DIRECT THE ACFT AS PRECISELY OVER THE DROP ZONE. AT THAT TIME, I HEARD MY GND PERSON CALLING ME ON ANOTHER RADIO. I RESPONDED, AND HE TOLD ME THAT I HAD A LARGE JET CONVERGING OFF MY R WING. AT FIRST GLANCE I DID NOT SEE ANYTHING, THEN I LIFTED MY WING UP AND SAW A LARGE JET CARRIER LESS THAN A MI AWAY ON A COLLISION COURSE WITH ME. I WAS HEADING ABOUT 250 DEGS AND HE WAS SBOUND. I IMMEDIATELY BEGAN A STEEP TURN 180 DEGS AROUND. AT THAT TIME I HEARD ATC GIVING THE JET CARRIER A WARNING OF MY POS AND THEN WARNING ME OF THE JET'S POS. I RESPONDED BY TELLING HIM I HAD ALREADY STARTED A TURN TO AVOID THE TFC. THE JET HAD BEGUN A CLB TO AVOID COLLISION. AFTER THE JET HAD PASSED, I TURNED BACK TO A 270 DEG COURSE TO LET THE SKYDIVERS OUT WHEN I SPOTTED ANOTHER JET CARRIER 2-3 MI AWAY AT MY 4-5 O'CLOCK POS. AS I SPOTTED IT, IT BEGAN A SHARP TURN TO THE S TO AVOID ME, AFTER WHICH THE CTLR WARNED THE SECOND JET CARRIER OF MY POS. THE PLT REPLIED THAT HE HAD ALREADY TURNED TO AVOID. THE DROP ZONE THAT I FLY OUT OF IS 10 NM N OF THE BUJ VOR, NE OF DFW, BUT WELL OUTSIDE OF THE CLASS B AIRSPACE. THE BUJ VOR IS PART OF AN ARR INTO DFW. OUR ARPT IS SEVERAL MI FROM THESE ARR RTES INTO DFW, HOWEVER I HEARD THE CTLR CLR 1 ACR TO CROSS 10 MI N OF THE BLUE RIDGE VOR, AND I GUESS THAT THE 2 OTHER CARRIERS MENTIONED ABOVE WERE CLRED TO DO THE SAME. USUALLY ATC KEEPS THE JET CARRIERS WELL CLR OF OUR DROP ZONE, BUT THIS CTLR WAS SENDING THEM RIGHT OVER IT WHILE SKYDIVING ACTIVITY WAS GOING ON. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: 1) I WAS UNFAMILIAR WITH THIS CTLR'S VOICE -- MAYBE HE WAS NEW OR JUST NEW TO THIS SECTOR. 2) THE CTLR WAS GONE WHEN I CAME BACK UP FOR THE NEXT FLT 1/2 HR LATER --IT COULD HAVE BEEN THE END OF HIS SHIFT. 3) MY VIEW WAS OBSTRUCTED BY THE HIGH WING. CORRECTIVE ACTIONS: 1) I WILL LOOK FOR TFC RELIGIOUSLY! 2) THREE ARE MANY OTHER CROSS-OVER POINTS AVAILABLE OTHER THAN OUR DROP ZONE OR JUST AVOID THE DROP ZONE WHEN SKYDIVING ACTIVITY IS GOING ON. 30 THE CTLR SEEMED TO BE A FEW STEPS BEHIND THE ACTION, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CORRECT THAT, BUT ASK A PROFESSIONAL CTLR...HE'LL KNOW...SLEEP?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.