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Attributes | |
ACN | 279818 |
Time | |
Date | 199408 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : sfo |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 700 msl bound upper : 700 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sfo |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 2200 |
ASRS Report | 279818 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Air carrier X after reporting the airport in sight at 25 mi, we were cleared for the visual (tiptoe) to runway 28L, and a speed of 210 KTS. We were then informed that we were following a jetstream, and to slow to 180 KTS. Approach told us that we had 'traffic at 2 O'clock and 6000 ft, visual for the right. Report him in sight.' I replied that we had an airplane that could be the traffic. Approach said, 'maintain visual separation on the traffic. If he falls behind you, he will maintain visual separation on you.' we were switched to tower at 12 mi from touchdown. At that time, the 737 was slightly behind and approximately 300 ft below us. I then saw him propeller his gear to further decelerate, and he fell behind us 1/2 to 3/4 mi. Tower cleared us to land on runway 28L and we slowed to approach speed passing 6 mi. Our 'wingman' maintained his staggered position. At 700 ft and 3 mi, tower said, 'make an s- turn to the left.' when I questioned this he replied, 'for northbound departures.' I told my first officer, who was flying to do so because my initial impression was that we had a small, unseen aircraft or helicopter in the vicinity. I then cautioned the first officer to watch out for the 737 when he turned back. He made a stabilized, uneventful landing with the other 737 about 1/4 mi or less in trail. I called the tower supervisor and was told that the 'south' turn was to allow them to launch traffic from the north runways (runways 1R and 1L). This is unsafe and possibly an illegal procedure/clearance. Not only does this de- stabilize the approach, but it creates a mid-air potential when turning back to intercept runway centerline. Sfo is dangerous enough without compounding the problem by innovative and improper clrncs during critical phases of flight for the purpose of capacity enhancement.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X GIVEN S TURN ON SHORT FINAL FOR INTERSECTING RWY DEP.
Narrative: ACR X AFTER RPTING THE ARPT IN SIGHT AT 25 MI, WE WERE CLRED FOR THE VISUAL (TIPTOE) TO RWY 28L, AND A SPD OF 210 KTS. WE WERE THEN INFORMED THAT WE WERE FOLLOWING A JETSTREAM, AND TO SLOW TO 180 KTS. APCH TOLD US THAT WE HAD 'TFC AT 2 O'CLOCK AND 6000 FT, VISUAL FOR THE R. RPT HIM IN SIGHT.' I REPLIED THAT WE HAD AN AIRPLANE THAT COULD BE THE TFC. APCH SAID, 'MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION ON THE TFC. IF HE FALLS BEHIND YOU, HE WILL MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION ON YOU.' WE WERE SWITCHED TO TWR AT 12 MI FROM TOUCHDOWN. AT THAT TIME, THE 737 WAS SLIGHTLY BEHIND AND APPROX 300 FT BELOW US. I THEN SAW HIM PROP HIS GEAR TO FURTHER DECELERATE, AND HE FELL BEHIND US 1/2 TO 3/4 MI. TWR CLRED US TO LAND ON RWY 28L AND WE SLOWED TO APCH SPD PASSING 6 MI. OUR 'WINGMAN' MAINTAINED HIS STAGGERED POS. AT 700 FT AND 3 MI, TWR SAID, 'MAKE AN S- TURN TO THE L.' WHEN I QUESTIONED THIS HE REPLIED, 'FOR NBOUND DEPS.' I TOLD MY FO, WHO WAS FLYING TO DO SO BECAUSE MY INITIAL IMPRESSION WAS THAT WE HAD A SMALL, UNSEEN ACFT OR HELI IN THE VICINITY. I THEN CAUTIONED THE FO TO WATCH OUT FOR THE 737 WHEN HE TURNED BACK. HE MADE A STABILIZED, UNEVENTFUL LNDG WITH THE OTHER 737 ABOUT 1/4 MI OR LESS IN TRAIL. I CALLED THE TWR SUPVR AND WAS TOLD THAT THE 'S' TURN WAS TO ALLOW THEM TO LAUNCH TFC FROM THE N RWYS (RWYS 1R AND 1L). THIS IS UNSAFE AND POSSIBLY AN ILLEGAL PROC/CLRNC. NOT ONLY DOES THIS DE- STABILIZE THE APCH, BUT IT CREATES A MID-AIR POTENTIAL WHEN TURNING BACK TO INTERCEPT RWY CTRLINE. SFO IS DANGEROUS ENOUGH WITHOUT COMPOUNDING THE PROB BY INNOVATIVE AND IMPROPER CLRNCS DURING CRITICAL PHASES OF FLT FOR THE PURPOSE OF CAPACITY ENHANCEMENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.