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Attributes | |
ACN | 280907 |
Time | |
Date | 199408 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : err |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 tower : ewr |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : local |
Qualification | controller : non radar |
ASRS Report | 280907 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 24000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure Operational Error |
Narrative:
Air carrier X is 4 mi intrail to air carrier Y and the intrail should be 5 mi behind a heavy jet. Each day I work at ewrt I see almost every aircraft behind a heavy less than required 7110.65 separation. I have written to you before about this problem and have made my supervisor and atm aware of this problem and yet no one can help this problem. I guess I could report an operational error, but that would not go over well with my fellow co-workers. The rule is simple, 5 mi behind a heavy, why can't N90 provide it! Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated lack of heavy jet separation on final approach is an ongoing problem on final approach because of N90 interpretation of controller handbook. N90 interps separation to exist if the following aircraft is 1000 ft above the heavy even though both have been cleared for approach. Reporter stated N90 is now going through an evaluation and separation has improved but separation breaks down during rush periods.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B727 HAD LESS THAN STANDARD WAKE TURB SEPARATION FROM B747.
Narrative: ACR X IS 4 MI INTRAIL TO ACR Y AND THE INTRAIL SHOULD BE 5 MI BEHIND A HVY JET. EACH DAY I WORK AT EWRT I SEE ALMOST EVERY ACFT BEHIND A HVY LESS THAN REQUIRED 7110.65 SEPARATION. I HAVE WRITTEN TO YOU BEFORE ABOUT THIS PROB AND HAVE MADE MY SUPVR AND ATM AWARE OF THIS PROB AND YET NO ONE CAN HELP THIS PROB. I GUESS I COULD RPT AN OPERROR, BUT THAT WOULD NOT GO OVER WELL WITH MY FELLOW CO-WORKERS. THE RULE IS SIMPLE, 5 MI BEHIND A HVY, WHY CAN'T N90 PROVIDE IT! CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED LACK OF HVY JET SEPARATION ON FINAL APCH IS AN ONGOING PROB ON FINAL APCH BECAUSE OF N90 INTERP OF CTLR HANDBOOK. N90 INTERPS SEPARATION TO EXIST IF THE FOLLOWING ACFT IS 1000 FT ABOVE THE HVY EVEN THOUGH BOTH HAVE BEEN CLRED FOR APCH. RPTR STATED N90 IS NOW GOING THROUGH AN EVALUATION AND SEPARATION HAS IMPROVED BUT SEPARATION BREAKS DOWN DURING RUSH PERIODS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.