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Attributes | |
ACN | 282688 |
Time | |
Date | 199409 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bos |
State Reference | MA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4700 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : bos |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | SF 340A |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 282688 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 1680 flight time type : 150 |
ASRS Report | 282687 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Approach assigned 4000 ft and advise company traffic left to right be- 1900 at 4000 ft. Readback 4000 ft looking for traffic. Spotted traffic and commented, 'why did he (the controller) give us 4000 ft if company is 4000 ft, we decided to slow the descent. By this time traffic had passed and left the area. At 4700 ft, the controller said, 'confirm altitude 5000 ft' and climbed to 5000 ft. Obviously the controller wanted us at 5000 ft. Rather than debating with the controller on a congested frequency, we said, 'roger 5000 ft.' next time if we think altitudes don't make sense, we are going to ask the controller for confirmation, regardless of radio congestion.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC TOOK TFC CALL AS ALT ASSIGNMENT.
Narrative: APCH ASSIGNED 4000 FT AND ADVISE COMPANY TFC L TO R BE- 1900 AT 4000 FT. READBACK 4000 FT LOOKING FOR TFC. SPOTTED TFC AND COMMENTED, 'WHY DID HE (THE CTLR) GIVE US 4000 FT IF COMPANY IS 4000 FT, WE DECIDED TO SLOW THE DSCNT. BY THIS TIME TFC HAD PASSED AND LEFT THE AREA. AT 4700 FT, THE CTLR SAID, 'CONFIRM ALT 5000 FT' AND CLBED TO 5000 FT. OBVIOUSLY THE CTLR WANTED US AT 5000 FT. RATHER THAN DEBATING WITH THE CTLR ON A CONGESTED FREQ, WE SAID, 'ROGER 5000 FT.' NEXT TIME IF WE THINK ALTS DON'T MAKE SENSE, WE ARE GOING TO ASK THE CTLR FOR CONFIRMATION, REGARDLESS OF RADIO CONGESTION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.