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Attributes | |
ACN | 285352 |
Time | |
Date | 199410 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sea |
State Reference | WA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sea tower : sea |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747-100 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : straight in approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 20000 |
ASRS Report | 285352 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 75 vertical : 400 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We were flying a 747 from japan to sea and were entering elliott bay for a bay visual to runway 16R at sea. We were at 3000 ft with ceiling of about 3300 ft in our area. Sea approach told us that air carrier Y was 5 mi north of our position -- we only acknowledged 'roger' as we did not have the aircraft insight and it was not given to us as traffic. As we approached boeing field (5 mi north of sea) we were on the runway 16R GS and we suddenly noticed traffic on TCASII 800 ft below us. Our initial reaction was either a traffic aircraft or boeing traffic. However, the separation decreased to 700-600 ft and at that point we had a TCASII RA to 'stop descent.' I asked sea tower if they knew the aircraft was as we had had an RA. Sea said that it was air carrier Y on a visual to runway 16L. Separation got to 400 ft vertical during all of this and when I looked down out of my left side window all I could see was the left wing of the dash 8. At no time were we ever informed of an aircraft on approach to runway 16L which is a very close parallel runway. What happened staggered approachs with close runways? What happened to ATC notifying both aircraft if parallel visuals are going to be used? How can visual separation be maintained if 1 aircraft is allowed to pass another? What happened to wake turbulence. Caution and education? The ATC system needs to slow down and evaluate itself.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SAME RWY ASSIGNMENT ASSUMED. NMAC IN MULTIPLE RWY OP PARALLEL RWYS.
Narrative: WE WERE FLYING A 747 FROM JAPAN TO SEA AND WERE ENTERING ELLIOTT BAY FOR A BAY VISUAL TO RWY 16R AT SEA. WE WERE AT 3000 FT WITH CEILING OF ABOUT 3300 FT IN OUR AREA. SEA APCH TOLD US THAT ACR Y WAS 5 MI N OF OUR POS -- WE ONLY ACKNOWLEDGED 'ROGER' AS WE DID NOT HAVE THE ACFT INSIGHT AND IT WAS NOT GIVEN TO US AS TFC. AS WE APCHED BOEING FIELD (5 MI N OF SEA) WE WERE ON THE RWY 16R GS AND WE SUDDENLY NOTICED TFC ON TCASII 800 FT BELOW US. OUR INITIAL REACTION WAS EITHER A TFC ACFT OR BOEING TFC. HOWEVER, THE SEPARATION DECREASED TO 700-600 FT AND AT THAT POINT WE HAD A TCASII RA TO 'STOP DSCNT.' I ASKED SEA TWR IF THEY KNEW THE ACFT WAS AS WE HAD HAD AN RA. SEA SAID THAT IT WAS ACR Y ON A VISUAL TO RWY 16L. SEPARATION GOT TO 400 FT VERT DURING ALL OF THIS AND WHEN I LOOKED DOWN OUT OF MY L SIDE WINDOW ALL I COULD SEE WAS THE L WING OF THE DASH 8. AT NO TIME WERE WE EVER INFORMED OF AN ACFT ON APCH TO RWY 16L WHICH IS A VERY CLOSE PARALLEL RWY. WHAT HAPPENED STAGGERED APCHS WITH CLOSE RWYS? WHAT HAPPENED TO ATC NOTIFYING BOTH ACFT IF PARALLEL VISUALS ARE GOING TO BE USED? HOW CAN VISUAL SEPARATION BE MAINTAINED IF 1 ACFT IS ALLOWED TO PASS ANOTHER? WHAT HAPPENED TO WAKE TURB. CAUTION AND EDUCATION? THE ATC SYS NEEDS TO SLOW DOWN AND EVALUATE ITSELF.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.