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Attributes | |
ACN | 290298 |
Time | |
Date | 199412 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : mygf |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : other oceanic |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 6990 flight time type : 3580 |
ASRS Report | 290298 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Air carrier X descending so as to be at 4000 ft at or before padus intersection. Padus was our clearance limit. We attempted to contact ZMA as we were expecting a handoff prior to reaching padus. We were unable to contact ZMA despite 3 attempts. At padus we slowed and began a right turn to enter holding. The copilot switched frequencys to freeport approach and obtained a new clearance. We proceeded via the new clearance. After the stop in freeport we departed back toward the miami area. Upon handoff to ZMA on the same frequency as before we were unable to establish contact until above 7500 ft. We told the ZMA controller of our previous problem at padus. He said it was probably because of our low altitude (4000 ft). Since this routing is quite routine (padus via bahama route 66V cross padus at 4000 ft) perhaps a new center frequency with lower coverage should be established. Failing this, perhaps center could effect handoff to freeport approach earlier, prior to the airplane beginning descent.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X LOST RADIO CONTACT WITH ZMA BECAUSE OF LOW ALT.
Narrative: ACR X DSNDING SO AS TO BE AT 4000 FT AT OR BEFORE PADUS INTXN. PADUS WAS OUR CLRNC LIMIT. WE ATTEMPTED TO CONTACT ZMA AS WE WERE EXPECTING A HDOF PRIOR TO REACHING PADUS. WE WERE UNABLE TO CONTACT ZMA DESPITE 3 ATTEMPTS. AT PADUS WE SLOWED AND BEGAN A R TURN TO ENTER HOLDING. THE COPLT SWITCHED FREQS TO FREEPORT APCH AND OBTAINED A NEW CLRNC. WE PROCEEDED VIA THE NEW CLRNC. AFTER THE STOP IN FREEPORT WE DEPARTED BACK TOWARD THE MIAMI AREA. UPON HDOF TO ZMA ON THE SAME FREQ AS BEFORE WE WERE UNABLE TO ESTABLISH CONTACT UNTIL ABOVE 7500 FT. WE TOLD THE ZMA CTLR OF OUR PREVIOUS PROB AT PADUS. HE SAID IT WAS PROBABLY BECAUSE OF OUR LOW ALT (4000 FT). SINCE THIS ROUTING IS QUITE ROUTINE (PADUS VIA BAHAMA RTE 66V CROSS PADUS AT 4000 FT) PERHAPS A NEW CTR FREQ WITH LOWER COVERAGE SHOULD BE ESTABLISHED. FAILING THIS, PERHAPS CTR COULD EFFECT HDOF TO FREEPORT APCH EARLIER, PRIOR TO THE AIRPLANE BEGINNING DSCNT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.