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Attributes | |
ACN | 292700 |
Time | |
Date | 199501 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9100 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute airway : lax |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 12000 |
ASRS Report | 292700 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 292701 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : became reoriented flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were cleared for the reedr 3 arrival to lax. After civet intersection we were cleared to cross bindy at 12000 ft and baset at 10000 ft. At this time I was involved in checking flight papers for applicable NOTAMS at lax and studying the runway 6L and 7R ILS approach pages. At a point approximately 5 NM west of baset, lax approach control asked us our altitude, which was 9100 ft. Approach told us to return to 10000 ft. After we had climbed to 9400 ft, approach reclred us to descend to 8000 ft and proceed direct to santa monica VOR. Remainder of approach and landing were uneventful. In discussion after the event, the captain (PF) and first officer felt that the clearance for the reedr 3 arrival constituted a clearance to cross reedr intersection at 8000 ft, not noticing that the arrival says to expect clearance to cross reedr at 8000 ft. Contributing to our mistake was the fact that we rarely make the reedr arrival but instead fly the civet 1 arrival. The civet arrival has hard altitudes and once you are cleared for the civet arrival, you are automatically cleared to descend and make the charted crossing altitudes. I feel there was a better understanding of the civet arrival when it was labeled a 'profile descent,' thus differentiating it from the other arrs into lax. This broke the linkage we made (in error) between the reedr arrival and the civet arrival. As the so, I should have studied the reedr arrival more closely and finished my other duties earlier. I then could have backed up the captain and first officer as they flew the arrival.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WDB FLC MISINTERPRETS ARR PROCS. ALTDEV.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED FOR THE REEDR 3 ARR TO LAX. AFTER CIVET INTXN WE WERE CLRED TO CROSS BINDY AT 12000 FT AND BASET AT 10000 FT. AT THIS TIME I WAS INVOLVED IN CHKING FLT PAPERS FOR APPLICABLE NOTAMS AT LAX AND STUDYING THE RWY 6L AND 7R ILS APCH PAGES. AT A POINT APPROX 5 NM W OF BASET, LAX APCH CTL ASKED US OUR ALT, WHICH WAS 9100 FT. APCH TOLD US TO RETURN TO 10000 FT. AFTER WE HAD CLBED TO 9400 FT, APCH RECLRED US TO DSND TO 8000 FT AND PROCEED DIRECT TO SANTA MONICA VOR. REMAINDER OF APCH AND LNDG WERE UNEVENTFUL. IN DISCUSSION AFTER THE EVENT, THE CAPT (PF) AND FO FELT THAT THE CLRNC FOR THE REEDR 3 ARR CONSTITUTED A CLRNC TO CROSS REEDR INTXN AT 8000 FT, NOT NOTICING THAT THE ARR SAYS TO EXPECT CLRNC TO CROSS REEDR AT 8000 FT. CONTRIBUTING TO OUR MISTAKE WAS THE FACT THAT WE RARELY MAKE THE REEDR ARR BUT INSTEAD FLY THE CIVET 1 ARR. THE CIVET ARR HAS HARD ALTS AND ONCE YOU ARE CLRED FOR THE CIVET ARR, YOU ARE AUTOMATICALLY CLRED TO DSND AND MAKE THE CHARTED XING ALTS. I FEEL THERE WAS A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE CIVET ARR WHEN IT WAS LABELED A 'PROFILE DSCNT,' THUS DIFFERENTIATING IT FROM THE OTHER ARRS INTO LAX. THIS BROKE THE LINKAGE WE MADE (IN ERROR) BTWN THE REEDR ARR AND THE CIVET ARR. AS THE SO, I SHOULD HAVE STUDIED THE REEDR ARR MORE CLOSELY AND FINISHED MY OTHER DUTIES EARLIER. I THEN COULD HAVE BACKED UP THE CAPT AND FO AS THEY FLEW THE ARR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.