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Attributes | |
ACN | 292940 |
Time | |
Date | 199501 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : msp |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 2200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Dawn |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : msp |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach landing : missed approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 10000 |
ASRS Report | 292940 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Controller wanted us to accept a visual approach in the worst way - - for his benefit. We could see parallel runway, the one we weren't going to, but an obscuration prevented us from seeing the runway of intended landing. We told controller of obscuration so he descended us from 3000 ft MSL to 2500 ft MSL. We leveled off, then were told to look for runway and another aircraft. I was hand flying and let altitude get to 2200 ft before I noticed and climbed back to 2500 ft. By now, we knew we had no chance of a visual and finally got that message through to the very busy controller who gave us a climb and some turns for the ILS to the same runway -- the very approach we did ask for to begin with, but not forcefully enough to get the controller's attention. He was fixed on the reported visibility and other aircraft accepting a visual approach to a bright spot in the obscuration. On the subsequent ILS we didn't see the runway clearly until 400 ft AGL. The airport officially went IFR a little while after we landed. The obscuration I refer to was caused by very cold dense air carrying industrial steam/smoke across the final approach course of first one runway, without approach lights, then the runway with approach lights.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLTDEV DSNDED BELOW ASSIGNED ALT.
Narrative: CTLR WANTED US TO ACCEPT A VISUAL APCH IN THE WORST WAY - - FOR HIS BENEFIT. WE COULD SEE PARALLEL RWY, THE ONE WE WEREN'T GOING TO, BUT AN OBSCURATION PREVENTED US FROM SEEING THE RWY OF INTENDED LNDG. WE TOLD CTLR OF OBSCURATION SO HE DSNDED US FROM 3000 FT MSL TO 2500 FT MSL. WE LEVELED OFF, THEN WERE TOLD TO LOOK FOR RWY AND ANOTHER ACFT. I WAS HAND FLYING AND LET ALT GET TO 2200 FT BEFORE I NOTICED AND CLBED BACK TO 2500 FT. BY NOW, WE KNEW WE HAD NO CHANCE OF A VISUAL AND FINALLY GOT THAT MESSAGE THROUGH TO THE VERY BUSY CTLR WHO GAVE US A CLB AND SOME TURNS FOR THE ILS TO THE SAME RWY -- THE VERY APCH WE DID ASK FOR TO BEGIN WITH, BUT NOT FORCEFULLY ENOUGH TO GET THE CTLR'S ATTN. HE WAS FIXED ON THE RPTED VISIBILITY AND OTHER ACFT ACCEPTING A VISUAL APCH TO A BRIGHT SPOT IN THE OBSCURATION. ON THE SUBSEQUENT ILS WE DIDN'T SEE THE RWY CLRLY UNTIL 400 FT AGL. THE ARPT OFFICIALLY WENT IFR A LITTLE WHILE AFTER WE LANDED. THE OBSCURATION I REFER TO WAS CAUSED BY VERY COLD DENSE AIR CARRYING INDUSTRIAL STEAM/SMOKE ACROSS THE FINAL APCH COURSE OF FIRST ONE RWY, WITHOUT APCH LIGHTS, THEN THE RWY WITH APCH LIGHTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.