During a pilot training flight, an ILS approach was started prior to being cleared for the approach ...

Attributes
ACN	294116
Time
Date	199501
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : agc airport : pit
State Reference	PA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 3000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : pit
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 1100 flight time type : 200
ASRS Report	294116
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : private
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

On student training flight miscom between pit and us. They told us runway 10 was in use at agc and told us to expect ILS runway 28 at agc. They vectored us for the approach. Upon vectoring us my student and I were discussing if we were to shoot the ILS runway 28 or runway 10, since they said 10 was in use but to expect ILS runway 28. We started intercepting the localizer and started to descend. We were getting reverse sensing. I checked the ATIS and it said runway 28 ILS in use but they must have switched over to runway 10. We started to descend and I don't think we were cleared for the approach. We started on the runway 28 approach since the ATIS was saying it was and the needle started to come in. But I think we were supposed to shoot the ILS runway 10. We questioned pit at that point and received additional vectors and went from 2500-3000 ft MSL, to be vectored for ILS runway 10. To correct the situation from happening again, questioning pit from the start, when they said everyone was landing on runway 10 and he told us to expect ILS runway 28. We should have maybe realized that the ATIS information was old and not trusted it either. We should have double-checked with communication.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: DURING A PLT TRAINING FLT, AN ILS APCH WAS STARTED PRIOR TO BEING CLRED FOR THE APCH BY ATC.

Narrative: ON STUDENT TRAINING FLT MISCOM BTWN PIT AND US. THEY TOLD US RWY 10 WAS IN USE AT AGC AND TOLD US TO EXPECT ILS RWY 28 AT AGC. THEY VECTORED US FOR THE APCH. UPON VECTORING US MY STUDENT AND I WERE DISCUSSING IF WE WERE TO SHOOT THE ILS RWY 28 OR RWY 10, SINCE THEY SAID 10 WAS IN USE BUT TO EXPECT ILS RWY 28. WE STARTED INTERCEPTING THE LOC AND STARTED TO DSND. WE WERE GETTING REVERSE SENSING. I CHKED THE ATIS AND IT SAID RWY 28 ILS IN USE BUT THEY MUST HAVE SWITCHED OVER TO RWY 10. WE STARTED TO DSND AND I DON'T THINK WE WERE CLRED FOR THE APCH. WE STARTED ON THE RWY 28 APCH SINCE THE ATIS WAS SAYING IT WAS AND THE NEEDLE STARTED TO COME IN. BUT I THINK WE WERE SUPPOSED TO SHOOT THE ILS RWY 10. WE QUESTIONED PIT AT THAT POINT AND RECEIVED ADDITIONAL VECTORS AND WENT FROM 2500-3000 FT MSL, TO BE VECTORED FOR ILS RWY 10. TO CORRECT THE SIT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN, QUESTIONING PIT FROM THE START, WHEN THEY SAID EVERYONE WAS LNDG ON RWY 10 AND HE TOLD US TO EXPECT ILS RWY 28. WE SHOULD HAVE MAYBE REALIZED THAT THE ATIS INFO WAS OLD AND NOT TRUSTED IT EITHER. WE SHOULD HAVE DOUBLE-CHKED WITH COM.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

During a pilot training flight, an ILS approach was started prior to being cleared for the approach by ATC.