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Attributes | |
ACN | 294509 |
Time | |
Date | 199501 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ccc |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11300 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : vps |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute airway : zbw |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 2600 |
ASRS Report | 294509 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 19000 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 294520 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : became reoriented other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On rennebunk arrival to jfk you must cross trait at FL240. After this you can expect to cross calverton VOR (cll 117.2) at 12000 ft and 250 KTS. To make this restr you must start down immediately after trait at FL240. We received clearance to 12000 ft a bit late so descent was started immediately after receipt. Altimeters were reset during descent check. ATIS at jfk did not give altitude setting since pressure was falling rapidly. Captain heard altimeter setting of 29.96 from ZBW and read back the same. We leveled at 12000 ft. Center then asked if we were level at 12000 ft. We then heard correct altitude setting of 29.26 and reset altimeters. We immediately noted our difference in altitude and climbed to 12000 ft (29.26). No aircraft conflicts were noted or announced by ATC. I generally use the altimeter setting from ATIS (displayed on takeoff/land data card) to xchk altimeter setting given by ATC. Since none was given I relied solely on setting given by another crew member. High workload distracted from my hearing altitude setting. I would suggest that ATIS always give altitude setting and then include notes such as 'pressure falling rapidly.' at least that would get you closer to a correct altimeter setting, especially when the pressure is low. Supplemental information from acn 294511: no altimeter was given on the ATIS for jfk. Instead, the comment was made that 'pressure falling rapidly.' when center gave us the local altimeter during descent, '29.96' was read back. No correction was given by controller.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALTDEV ON ARR PROC DUE TO WRONG ALTIMETER SETTING.
Narrative: ON RENNEBUNK ARR TO JFK YOU MUST CROSS TRAIT AT FL240. AFTER THIS YOU CAN EXPECT TO CROSS CALVERTON VOR (CLL 117.2) AT 12000 FT AND 250 KTS. TO MAKE THIS RESTR YOU MUST START DOWN IMMEDIATELY AFTER TRAIT AT FL240. WE RECEIVED CLRNC TO 12000 FT A BIT LATE SO DSCNT WAS STARTED IMMEDIATELY AFTER RECEIPT. ALTIMETERS WERE RESET DURING DSCNT CHK. ATIS AT JFK DID NOT GIVE ALT SETTING SINCE PRESSURE WAS FALLING RAPIDLY. CAPT HEARD ALTIMETER SETTING OF 29.96 FROM ZBW AND READ BACK THE SAME. WE LEVELED AT 12000 FT. CTR THEN ASKED IF WE WERE LEVEL AT 12000 FT. WE THEN HEARD CORRECT ALT SETTING OF 29.26 AND RESET ALTIMETERS. WE IMMEDIATELY NOTED OUR DIFFERENCE IN ALT AND CLBED TO 12000 FT (29.26). NO ACFT CONFLICTS WERE NOTED OR ANNOUNCED BY ATC. I GENERALLY USE THE ALTIMETER SETTING FROM ATIS (DISPLAYED ON TKOF/LAND DATA CARD) TO XCHK ALTIMETER SETTING GIVEN BY ATC. SINCE NONE WAS GIVEN I RELIED SOLELY ON SETTING GIVEN BY ANOTHER CREW MEMBER. HIGH WORKLOAD DISTRACTED FROM MY HEARING ALT SETTING. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT ATIS ALWAYS GIVE ALT SETTING AND THEN INCLUDE NOTES SUCH AS 'PRESSURE FALLING RAPIDLY.' AT LEAST THAT WOULD GET YOU CLOSER TO A CORRECT ALTIMETER SETTING, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE PRESSURE IS LOW. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 294511: NO ALTIMETER WAS GIVEN ON THE ATIS FOR JFK. INSTEAD, THE COMMENT WAS MADE THAT 'PRESSURE FALLING RAPIDLY.' WHEN CTR GAVE US THE LCL ALTIMETER DURING DSCNT, '29.96' WAS READ BACK. NO CORRECTION WAS GIVEN BY CTLR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.