On frequency argument between PIC and ATC controller.

Attributes
ACN	295163
Time
Date	199502
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0001 To 0600
Place
Locale Reference	airport : bos
State Reference	MA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 14000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : bos
Operator	common carrier : air taxi
Make Model Name	Commercial Fixed Wing
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 135
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	departure : noise abatement enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 145 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 2200
ASRS Report	295163
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air taxi
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

On climb out from bos the captain and departure control got into an argument, over the radio, about the handling of our flight. Both the captain and the controller were very unprofessional. This type of behavior can't be tolerated, for it breaks down the safety chain. A contributing factor was the captain being very stressed from a family emergency. This was the first leg of the flight home for him. Being aware of this, I was being extra cautious so as to catch any errors being made, but that couldn't help prevent the argument. The argument was over a noise abatement procedure that causes undue vectoring, no matter the altitude (we were as high as 14000 ft with approach). The information on this procedure isn't readily available to the pilots. The 'logan 9 SID' tells turbojet aircraft to expect to cross the shore above 6000 ft. As with many other noise abatement procedures this one is ridiculous. Even so, the behavior of the captain and the controller was way out of line. There are times when all of us get upset or frustrated while flying or working, but we cannot let that interfere with professionalism and safety.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ON FREQ ARGUMENT BTWN PIC AND ATC CTLR.

Narrative: ON CLBOUT FROM BOS THE CAPT AND DEP CTL GOT INTO AN ARGUMENT, OVER THE RADIO, ABOUT THE HANDLING OF OUR FLT. BOTH THE CAPT AND THE CTLR WERE VERY UNPROFESSIONAL. THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR CAN'T BE TOLERATED, FOR IT BREAKS DOWN THE SAFETY CHAIN. A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR WAS THE CAPT BEING VERY STRESSED FROM A FAMILY EMER. THIS WAS THE FIRST LEG OF THE FLT HOME FOR HIM. BEING AWARE OF THIS, I WAS BEING EXTRA CAUTIOUS SO AS TO CATCH ANY ERRORS BEING MADE, BUT THAT COULDN'T HELP PREVENT THE ARGUMENT. THE ARGUMENT WAS OVER A NOISE ABATEMENT PROC THAT CAUSES UNDUE VECTORING, NO MATTER THE ALT (WE WERE AS HIGH AS 14000 FT WITH APCH). THE INFO ON THIS PROC ISN'T READILY AVAILABLE TO THE PLTS. THE 'LOGAN 9 SID' TELLS TURBOJET ACFT TO EXPECT TO CROSS THE SHORE ABOVE 6000 FT. AS WITH MANY OTHER NOISE ABATEMENT PROCS THIS ONE IS RIDICULOUS. EVEN SO, THE BEHAVIOR OF THE CAPT AND THE CTLR WAS WAY OUT OF LINE. THERE ARE TIMES WHEN ALL OF US GET UPSET OR FRUSTRATED WHILE FLYING OR WORKING, BUT WE CANNOT LET THAT INTERFERE WITH PROFESSIONALISM AND SAFETY.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.