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Attributes | |
ACN | 297446 |
Time | |
Date | 199502 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mci |
State Reference | MO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mci tower : mci |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time total : 14000 |
ASRS Report | 297446 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I reported to departure from tower control that we were out of approximately 2700 ft for 4000 ft. At that time, the copilot said she forgot that clearance delivery said we were to level at 2500 ft on departure. She then started to descend at about 3100 to 3200 ft, but at the same time, departure cleared us to 4500 ft to top. Departure never questioned our reported altitude. It has been standard procedures to climb to 4000 ft after takeoff. Also traffic volume was very low. There was only 1 departure in front of us and I don't remember anyone behind us on takeoff. On reviewing the checklist for clearance, the copilot only said she got a VFR 4500 ft clearance (climb to 4000 ft is standard) she did not state anything about 2500 ft climb. Taxiing out on the runway nothing had been set in altitude alerter. I then dialed in 4000 ft which is standard altitude for turboprop. The copilot still said nothing about the 2500 ft climb. Also tower only gave heading, no altitude on takeoff. For perception, it seems that pilots get used to the standard oma departure 3000 ft/ict 5000 ft/mci 4000 ft, and when something different is said, it is easy to miss. It would help if they would remind.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALTDEV ALT OVERSHOT.
Narrative: I RPTED TO DEP FROM TWR CTL THAT WE WERE OUT OF APPROX 2700 FT FOR 4000 FT. AT THAT TIME, THE COPLT SAID SHE FORGOT THAT CLRNC DELIVERY SAID WE WERE TO LEVEL AT 2500 FT ON DEP. SHE THEN STARTED TO DSND AT ABOUT 3100 TO 3200 FT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, DEP CLRED US TO 4500 FT TO TOP. DEP NEVER QUESTIONED OUR RPTED ALT. IT HAS BEEN STANDARD PROCS TO CLB TO 4000 FT AFTER TKOF. ALSO TFC VOLUME WAS VERY LOW. THERE WAS ONLY 1 DEP IN FRONT OF US AND I DON'T REMEMBER ANYONE BEHIND US ON TKOF. ON REVIEWING THE CHKLIST FOR CLRNC, THE COPLT ONLY SAID SHE GOT A VFR 4500 FT CLRNC (CLB TO 4000 FT IS STANDARD) SHE DID NOT STATE ANYTHING ABOUT 2500 FT CLB. TAXIING OUT ON THE RWY NOTHING HAD BEEN SET IN ALT ALERTER. I THEN DIALED IN 4000 FT WHICH IS STANDARD ALT FOR TURBOPROP. THE COPLT STILL SAID NOTHING ABOUT THE 2500 FT CLB. ALSO TWR ONLY GAVE HDG, NO ALT ON TKOF. FOR PERCEPTION, IT SEEMS THAT PLTS GET USED TO THE STANDARD OMA DEP 3000 FT/ICT 5000 FT/MCI 4000 FT, AND WHEN SOMETHING DIFFERENT IS SAID, IT IS EASY TO MISS. IT WOULD HELP IF THEY WOULD REMIND.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.