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Attributes | |
ACN | 188439 |
Time | |
Date | 199109 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : den |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 24650 msl bound upper : 25000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : den |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct enroute : on vectors enroute airway : zdv |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 188439 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 11900 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 188428 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 9000 vertical : 600 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
At FL310 ATC issued clearance to what was heard FL240. At the time we were talking to flight attendant concerning gate information and flight conditions. PNF answered call. Verification of FL240 was made with him and our descent progressed. There was heavy congestion on the frequency and the controller who appeared to be a trainee (as we could hear backgnd instructions) was very busy. We were cleared direct the VOR as there also was WX in the area and our cleared altitude was quite high for the normal arrival. Passing approximately 24800 TCASII issued a TA. I began to level off and we observed the scope to locate our traffic. This was difficult as we were in WX mode and painting, and the traffic was bunched at the bottom of the screen. ATC then called to verify FL250. Shortly thereafter TCASII issued a climb RA which we immediately did. Although looking for, we never saw traffic and didn't believe from the scope that it was closer than 1-2 mi and correction was made by approximately 24650. ATC said they had issued FL250 with discretion out of FL290, which neither pilot heard and was certain wasn't issued. The trainee controller was relieved by the other controller and handoff to approach was made. Approach gave an expedited descent and large heading change to get us closer to normal profile and arrival gate. (We were approximately 7000-8000 ft high and south of the normal arrival. At no time did ATC issue any immediate instructions or advise of traffic conflict.) several factors I felt were contributing: the frequency congestion along with cockpit distraction could have affected communication as only 1 pilot clearly heard the clearance. Also the workload for an ATC trainee was quite high and could have affected what clearance they felt was issued. Their overload was apparent by our route and altitude position on the arrival. Miscom was of course the overriding cause. TCASII was valuable in alerting us to possible conflict, although difficult to assimilate information quickly within seconds needed the final result made me a believer in the system.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALT DEV ALT OVERSHOT ON DSCNT. TCASII RA WAS ACTIVATED BY PROX TO OPPOSITE DIRECTION TFC.
Narrative: AT FL310 ATC ISSUED CLRNC TO WHAT WAS HEARD FL240. AT THE TIME WE WERE TALKING TO FLT ATTENDANT CONCERNING GATE INFO AND FLT CONDITIONS. PNF ANSWERED CALL. VERIFICATION OF FL240 WAS MADE WITH HIM AND OUR DSCNT PROGRESSED. THERE WAS HVY CONGESTION ON THE FREQ AND THE CTLR WHO APPEARED TO BE A TRAINEE (AS WE COULD HEAR BACKGND INSTRUCTIONS) WAS VERY BUSY. WE WERE CLRED DIRECT THE VOR AS THERE ALSO WAS WX IN THE AREA AND OUR CLRED ALT WAS QUITE HIGH FOR THE NORMAL ARR. PASSING APPROX 24800 TCASII ISSUED A TA. I BEGAN TO LEVEL OFF AND WE OBSERVED THE SCOPE TO LOCATE OUR TFC. THIS WAS DIFFICULT AS WE WERE IN WX MODE AND PAINTING, AND THE TFC WAS BUNCHED AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN. ATC THEN CALLED TO VERIFY FL250. SHORTLY THEREAFTER TCASII ISSUED A CLB RA WHICH WE IMMEDIATELY DID. ALTHOUGH LOOKING FOR, WE NEVER SAW TFC AND DIDN'T BELIEVE FROM THE SCOPE THAT IT WAS CLOSER THAN 1-2 MI AND CORRECTION WAS MADE BY APPROX 24650. ATC SAID THEY HAD ISSUED FL250 WITH DISCRETION OUT OF FL290, WHICH NEITHER PLT HEARD AND WAS CERTAIN WASN'T ISSUED. THE TRAINEE CTLR WAS RELIEVED BY THE OTHER CTLR AND HDOF TO APCH WAS MADE. APCH GAVE AN EXPEDITED DSCNT AND LARGE HDG CHANGE TO GET US CLOSER TO NORMAL PROFILE AND ARR GATE. (WE WERE APPROX 7000-8000 FT HIGH AND S OF THE NORMAL ARR. AT NO TIME DID ATC ISSUE ANY IMMEDIATE INSTRUCTIONS OR ADVISE OF TFC CONFLICT.) SEVERAL FACTORS I FELT WERE CONTRIBUTING: THE FREQ CONGESTION ALONG WITH COCKPIT DISTR COULD HAVE AFFECTED COM AS ONLY 1 PLT CLRLY HEARD THE CLRNC. ALSO THE WORKLOAD FOR AN ATC TRAINEE WAS QUITE HIGH AND COULD HAVE AFFECTED WHAT CLRNC THEY FELT WAS ISSUED. THEIR OVERLOAD WAS APPARENT BY OUR RTE AND ALT POS ON THE ARR. MISCOM WAS OF COURSE THE OVERRIDING CAUSE. TCASII WAS VALUABLE IN ALERTING US TO POSSIBLE CONFLICT, ALTHOUGH DIFFICULT TO ASSIMILATE INFO QUICKLY WITHIN SECONDS NEEDED THE FINAL RESULT MADE ME A BELIEVER IN THE SYS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.