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Attributes | |
ACN | 298064 |
Time | |
Date | 199503 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cvg |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 13500 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 298064 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Situation: off line charter -- link to dispatch through other airline providing gate and ground service at cvg at departure time, our dispatch called via phone to advise that a ground hold had been placed on CAT I approachs to atl (WX 1200-1400 ft RVR). I advised dispatch via phone to contact local airline X ramp tower when we were released. I requested X ramp tower to forward our release when called by our dispatch. In 20 mins, X ramp tower called us to say we were released. We departed and arrived in atl, RVR 3500-6000 ft at approach and landing. We later found that X did not receive a dispatch release, but only a message that ATC had canceled the ground hold for CAT I's from the cvg area. Unclear -- was original dispatch release still good? (It was never canceled).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SUPPLEMENTAL ACR WITH OTHER ACR PROVIDING GND SVCS. COM TERMINOLOGY CONFUSION AND QUESTIONABLE DISPATCH RELEASE.
Narrative: SIT: OFF LINE CHARTER -- LINK TO DISPATCH THROUGH OTHER AIRLINE PROVIDING GATE AND GND SVC AT CVG AT DEP TIME, OUR DISPATCH CALLED VIA PHONE TO ADVISE THAT A GND HOLD HAD BEEN PLACED ON CAT I APCHS TO ATL (WX 1200-1400 FT RVR). I ADVISED DISPATCH VIA PHONE TO CONTACT LCL AIRLINE X RAMP TWR WHEN WE WERE RELEASED. I REQUESTED X RAMP TWR TO FORWARD OUR RELEASE WHEN CALLED BY OUR DISPATCH. IN 20 MINS, X RAMP TWR CALLED US TO SAY WE WERE RELEASED. WE DEPARTED AND ARRIVED IN ATL, RVR 3500-6000 FT AT APCH AND LNDG. WE LATER FOUND THAT X DID NOT RECEIVE A DISPATCH RELEASE, BUT ONLY A MESSAGE THAT ATC HAD CANCELED THE GND HOLD FOR CAT I'S FROM THE CVG AREA. UNCLEAR -- WAS ORIGINAL DISPATCH RELEASE STILL GOOD? (IT WAS NEVER CANCELED).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.